Amazon AutoRip Service Now Extends to Vinyl Record Purchases



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@ MacAddict4Life : You display both a lack of understanding about digital compression, and music recording in general.

Vinyl sounds better in most cases (not all) because it hasn't been processed to level out volume levels and compressed to download in a 5 mb package. Digital recordings COULD give you the same music experience but they don't for engineering and economic reasons.

Let me ask you this... which would you rather have. Your favorite food cooked to perfection... or your favorite food, cooked to perfection, then overcooked to even out the taste and consistency, then have 95% of it removed and the rest of it packed into a small capsule for easier distribution from the kitchen to your mouth? That over processed, bland food capsule is what an MP3 recording is. You bite into it, and it kind of tastes like your favorite food.

Heck, even older CD recordings compared to new remasters often sound better because te old wav file mixes weren't retuned to give the best performance over earbuds.

check out this article from Wired where Neal Young talks about what is wrong with digital music recording...



It sounds like Amazon has missed the mark for their audience since the digital copy is 256 Kb MP3.

Vinyl releases typically have a different mix than the digital versions given the dynamic range limitations of vinyl compared to digital. But it's likely the AutoRip is the same MP3 that is sold through their MP3 music store. This is an assumption, but I doubt it's far from the truth.

And when you look at the customers who are interested in vinyl - largely audiophiles - their interest in a lossy MP3 file is likely to be nil. They are more likely to be intersted in a high fidelity rip (24 bit, 96 kHz) stored in a lossless codec. Especially since this format would give them flexibility to convert the file to lossy codecs for digital players that do not support lossless.

If Amazon was offering an actual rip of the vinyl that was purchased, ripped at 24/96, and putting it in a lossless codec, then they'd have a hit on their hands for audiophiles.



Right. Vinyl customers NEVER listen to inferior formats or mixes. That's why car-mounted record players are so common.




Referring to the comment you replied to: As one who purchases a lot of vinyl LPs, I find the "different mix" is more often than not the exact same smashed master as the CD. All they do is drop the volume -3 dB FS and add the RIAA EQ curve. For some audiophools this is enough to make them imagine that it is superior.

...but sometimes they are a different mix (read: not brickwalled, ear-fatiguing, dynamically compressed, and clipped like almost every modern CD/digital production.)

Regarding 24 bit versions: adding more bits doesn't make it magically better. 16 bits is more than enough to capture vinyl with its high noise-floor. I've been guilty of misunderstanding bit-rates in the past too.

16 bits has a dynamic range of 96 decibels. (If one doesn't adequately comprehend how ear-shatteringly loud that is I encourage some Googling and you'll know why that's more than enough.) 24 bits is higher and it's useful in the studio where a lot of digital editing can be applied in production. Each time you edit a digital file and finalize it again you add quantization noise which can not be heard at first (ESPECIALLY over the background noise of even the most pristine vinyl.) Quantization noise sounds almost exactly like tape hiss and speaker noise.

My point is (if you're still following me and haven't "TL;DRed" out yet) is that it takes a few editorial transformations for those quantization errors to compound even in 16 bit audio. As an end-product 16 bits is more than sufficient. When I record vinyl LPs I do so at 24 bits and save them usually at 24/96. ...because I can. This isn't ideal for everyone especially if their playback equipment doesn't support the higher bit rates.

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