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#1 2005-08-25 10:05 pm

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Deleting posts isn't the way to win arguments

Oatmeal replied to a long and thoughtful post I wrote in response to his very short post "prove it" with a snotty three word quip. He deleted several posts, saying they're "off topic", which they weren't.

Instead of being willing or able to engage in a quality discussion/debate, Oatmeal acted childish and abused his moderator power to "win" the debate by deleting all the posts in two topics.

Neutron was bad enough to lock topics so he can have the last word. Oatmeal is worse, by playing slash and burn deletion games with the forum. Either he needs to learn to stay out of discussions he can't handle with maturity or he should relinquish his moderator power in the MiniThink.

Nothing that I posted violated any rules, and nothing was even remotely trolling or personal attack material. On the contrary, it was Oatmeal's posts that were prickish, much like vintage Steyr. Short quips and flames...

He also allowed a duplicate topic ("randomness") but chewed me out for responding to the opening post's material, a post that was directly written as a rebuttal to what I posted in the "elitists" topic. My posts and his quips were deleted from both topics.

The thing Oatmeal should realize is that the MiniThink ran just fine while he was too busy to moderate it. As soon as he came back, his much too aggressive "moderation" has actually hurt the forum.

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there's really no need for all of this

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#2 2005-08-25 10:15 pm

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Re: Deleting posts isn't the way to win arguments

http://www.clubhouse54.com/phpbb2/images/smiles/drama.gif

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#3 2005-08-25 10:50 pm

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Re: Deleting posts isn't the way to win arguments

I know, it's just awful!! If I were you, I'd pack my nicks and leave this horrid place for good. If they can't appreciate the wonderous wonderfulness of your most excellent posts, then screw them, they shouldn't get ANY EVER!


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#4 2005-08-25 10:52 pm

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Re: Deleting posts isn't the way to win arguments

it's not restricted to Minithink, though i don't think that one time was argument-related... nor can I say it was Oatmeal.  who knows.

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#5 2005-08-25 10:54 pm

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Re: Deleting posts isn't the way to win arguments

cough, whiney bitch, cough.


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#6 2005-08-25 11:06 pm

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Re: Deleting posts isn't the way to win arguments

I so totally get off watching you get oppressed, XYZ.


What's funny is that I don't even know you're being oppressed until you draw my attention to it!


But when you are it brings me oh so much joy.


Spirit was crushed; now is fading, But I want to help make things right.
Because I can see and I can feel, and you can see and you can feel
So why don't we both either stand up and fight
Or at least together we'll call it a night.

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#7 2005-08-25 11:08 pm

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Re: Deleting posts isn't the way to win arguments

Here we go again... XYZ grow up.


Governing sense, mind and intellect, intent of liberation, free from desire, fear and anger, the sage is forever free.

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#8 2005-08-25 11:35 pm

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Re: Deleting posts isn't the way to win arguments

Perhaps a break from Minithink would do you some good.  Really, how can one person have so many issues with so many different people?  Last week it was Steyr, this week it's Oatmeal, and next week it will be someone else.


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#9 2005-08-26 12:26 am

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Re: Deleting posts isn't the way to win arguments

You've deleted your own posts before. We're comfortable with oatmeal's moderation decisions.

What would you like oatmeal and the rest of us to do. And when you post this, do you expect any agreement from anyone?

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#10 2005-08-26 1:02 am

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Re: Deleting posts isn't the way to win arguments

I'm offended by bb's comment.  Oatmeal, please delete it.


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#11 2005-08-26 7:39 am

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Re: Deleting posts isn't the way to win arguments

I'm offended by TheConfuzed1's comment on bb's comment.  XYZ, please delete it.


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#12 2005-08-26 7:42 am

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Re: Deleting posts isn't the way to win arguments

AH! NOW WE SEE THE VIOLENCE INHERENT IN THE SYSTEM!

Oh!  Come see the violence inherent in the system!  HELP! HELP! I'm being repressed!

Oh, what a give away. Did you hear that, did you hear that, eh?  That's what I'm on about -- did you see him repressing me, you saw it didn't you?

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#13 2005-08-26 7:56 am

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Re: Deleting posts isn't the way to win arguments

lol

Dear lord, this thread needs the Antioch treatment!  Ayone care to pull the pin?

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#14 2005-08-26 8:07 am

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Re: Deleting posts isn't the way to win arguments

while $postcount != $postcount{
$postcount++;
}

Last edited by Zetetic Apparatchik (2005-08-26 8:08 am)


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#15 2005-08-26 8:11 am

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Re: Deleting posts isn't the way to win arguments

I suppose I should've posted something worthwhile and on topic, like XYZ does.  Something like "Oatmeal hates gays!!1!one!!"  Then I'll back it up with some article or another from a biased source, make insane asumptions about how the article applies to Oatmeal, and then call everyone a homophobe, including Orbit (jus because he kind of agreed, but not in a way I like).

XYZ, you go through entire threads and either change what you wrote or delete your posts entirely, just to change how the thread looks (and thus, make it seem like you weren't at fault for anything).  What's the matter with someone else doing it for you?

(last thought for the post)
I read through the entire thread, and you know what?  You're right.  Deleting posts isn't the way to win an argument.  Good thing he didn't delete any posts at all.  Instead, he simply moved the entire thread out of public view, in its full form, for posterity.

How do I put this...?  How about "Nope.  Try again"

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#16 2005-08-26 10:30 am

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Re: Deleting posts isn't the way to win arguments

You know, XYZ is one of the huge reasons for the return of the automated responses.  Please refer to numbers 7, 8, and 9.  As a pre-emptive strike, refer to number 4.  If anyone on here wants to go with 2, then fine by me.

THE NEW AUTOMATED RESPONSES!!!

1. This is a MESSAGE board, not a clipboard (cut/paste), ok?

2. Oh the hell with this topic.  Let's talk about lesbians.

3. Writing the company might help to solve your problem, unless it's a red headed stepchild Mac version.  If this is the case, just keep complaining here, as writing the company apparently does no good anymore.

4. I'm not a conservative.  I'm not a liberal.  I am gay.  Now shut up and stop talking about my orientation, ok?

5. WOW!  Another selective quote!  Guess I should have known better than to think someone would read the entire post...

6. Yup, I selectively quoted you.  Now you know how it feels.

7. You know, I admire you for the fact that you are consistent in posting about certain ideas that you hate.  I would like to see you branch out and discuss other ideas in addition to that which you hate.

8. In response to a flame war:

   Charles Nelson Reilly--"What does Indian Woman say?" 

   Brett Somers--"Indian Woman say, 'Blow it out your ear, White Man.'" 

   Gene Rayburn--"We're such a cultured bunch here.  It frightens me."

9. If things are truly so bad here, why not just start a blog?  This way, everyone can reply to you and you have the power to delete as you please instead of getting mad at moderators for doing their job.

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#17 2005-08-26 10:40 am

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Re: Deleting posts isn't the way to win arguments

I'll just sit and wait for the topic "MysticCow's Abusive Behavior" to spring up...

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#18 2005-08-26 12:23 pm

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Re: Deleting posts isn't the way to win arguments

And asshat? Either I'm too old to remember that, or that is something new that should of been left of the cutting floor for insults...


Governing sense, mind and intellect, intent of liberation, free from desire, fear and anger, the sage is forever free.

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#19 2005-08-26 1:33 pm

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Re: Deleting posts isn't the way to win arguments

it's neither you smurf. when do you start work so i can email your manager.

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#20 2005-08-26 2:17 pm

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Re: Deleting posts isn't the way to win arguments

Cyberpawz wrote:

And asshat? Either I'm too old to remember that, or that is something new that should of been left of the cutting floor for insults...

confused What are you gibbering about? wink


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#21 2005-08-26 3:21 pm

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Re: Deleting posts isn't the way to win arguments

MysticCow wrote:

You know, XYZ is one of the huge reasons for the return of the 2. Oh the hell with this topic.  Let's talk about lesbians.

lesbians are sweet. except for ellen. and rosy o'donnell.


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#22 2005-08-26 7:51 pm

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Re: Deleting posts isn't the way to win arguments

spike wrote:

MysticCow wrote:

You know, XYZ is one of the huge reasons for the return of the 2. Oh the hell with this topic.  Let's talk about lesbians.

lesbians are sweet. except for ellen. and rosy o'donnell.

Except for those two, ALL lesbians taste sweet? Damn I wish I was a woman!!

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#23 2005-08-26 9:11 pm

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Re: Deleting posts isn't the way to win arguments

Cut the rubbish. If you don't like this topic, stay out of it.

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#24 2005-08-26 9:35 pm

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Re: Deleting posts isn't the way to win arguments

It isn't that we don't like the topic.  It is just that NOBODY on this board can form a lynch mob against him faster than XYZ can.  I'm sure nobody has made the mods on this board form a lynch mob faster than XYZ has.

Granted, there are disagreements on every board, but none take the personal level of XYZ's disagreements.  If you disagree, you're automatically a homophobe to him.  If a mod does something to him, it is immediately posted here, because he either refuses to discuss a disagreement like this privately or is completely oblivious to the fact that posts like these are not appropriate and tend to incite (yet another) anti-XYZ riot.  Then he comes on this forum and comments about "how terrible the mods are to him" on the one time something is posted that DOESN'T form a lynch mob (then wonders why we start grabbing our torches and pitchforks...)

Does he have a right to disagree?  Yes he does.  Does he have a right to post personal disagreements on the board?  NO, he does not, and they should be taken privately (especially now that we have PM's again).

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#25 2005-08-26 11:48 pm

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Re: Deleting posts isn't the way to win arguments

XYZ is a homophobephobe.


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