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#101 2005-09-30 11:15 am
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Re: What have I done?
3 words:
50 MPH Handstand
I can only express puzzlement, which borders on alarm.
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#102 2005-09-30 11:37 am
Re: What have I done?
Moses wrote:
3 words:
50 MPH Handstand
Three words:
No.
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#103 2005-09-30 3:57 pm
Re: What have I done?
oatmeal wrote:
freecat wrote:
I knew something was up immediately. I doubt an S40 can get much over 90 mph (indicated).
Down a mountain? (Of course, it's flat around here...)
I don't think it would do 100 mph off a cliff with a tailwind. 
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#104 2005-09-30 5:24 pm
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Re: What have I done?
freecat wrote:
oatmeal wrote:
freecat wrote:
I knew something was up immediately. I doubt an S40 can get much over 90 mph (indicated).
Down a mountain? (Of course, it's flat around here...)
I don't think it would do 100 mph off a cliff with a tailwind.
My car can.
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#105 2005-09-30 6:49 pm
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Re: What have I done?
Mine does it w/o a tailwind.
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#106 2005-10-01 11:57 am
Re: What have I done?
dvpierce wrote:
freecat wrote:
oatmeal wrote:
Down a mountain? (Of course, it's flat around here...)
I don't think it would do 100 mph off a cliff with a tailwind.
My car can.
So?
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#107 2005-10-01 12:48 pm
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Re: What have I done?
debbiedowner wrote:
Mine does it w/o a tailwind.
Speaking of tailwind...Somebody open a window.
Mr Oatmeal, Sir! You are funny.
Here is a pic of my current bike.
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#108 2005-10-01 12:54 pm
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Re: What have I done?
Dunkin' wrote:
debbiedowner wrote:
Mine does it w/o a tailwind.
Speaking of tailwind...Somebody open a window.
Mr Oatmeal, Sir! You are funny.
Here is a pic of my current bike.
http://idisk.mac.com/tmidditty/Public/K1200RS.jpg
Now that is a VERY gay bike!
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#109 2005-10-01 1:03 pm
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Re: What have I done?
debbiedowner wrote:
Now that is a VERY gay bike!
How did you know? It has been very happy ever since I brought it home. Hey, wait a minute! What do you mean?
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#110 2005-10-01 5:39 pm
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Re: What have I done?
freecat wrote:
dvpierce wrote:
freecat wrote:
I don't think it would do 100 mph off a cliff with a tailwind.My car can.
So?
If my puny ass 2L, 3k pound car can do 100mph on a flat surface, doesn't seem like there should be a reason a 650cc 352 pound motorcycle with 200 pounds of Oats in tow can't do it, right?
Well, air resistance, maybe.
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#111 2005-10-01 7:55 pm
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Yea, air resistance. That Suzuki has all the aerodynamics of a very un-aerodynamic thing. It is small but it is very dirty (lots of drag producing shapes).
It takes a VERY gay motorcycle with extensive wind tunnel testing to get high speeds along with stability and fuel economy.
The required power for high speeds goes up at the third power. It takes 8 times (2 times 2 times 2) the power to go twice as fast. For example: 50 mph takes 20 hp on a particular bike then 100 mph will take 160 hp. A good low drag design will reduce the power needs and require less fuel.
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#112 2005-10-02 12:49 am
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Re: What have I done?
Dunkin' wrote:
debbiedowner wrote:
Now that is a VERY gay bike!
How did you know? It has been very happy ever since I brought it home. Hey, wait a minute! What do you mean?
It is a beautiful color and looks comfortable and solid. If I were to buy a big beautiful motorcycle, it would look like that.
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#113 2005-10-02 3:40 am
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That Suzuki has all the aerodynamics of a very un-aerodynamic thing.
That's like the best description of spaceships I've ever heard: "The ships hung in the sky in much the same way that bricks don't."
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#114 2005-10-02 4:21 am
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Re: What have I done?
Why are you up at 5 am?
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#115 2005-10-02 6:03 am
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Re: What have I done?
dvpierce wrote:
Why are you up at 5 am?
His breakfast is watching him.
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#116 2005-10-02 6:09 am
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Re: What have I done?
debbiedowner wrote:
Dunkin' wrote:
debbiedowner wrote:
Now that is a VERY gay bike!
How did you know? It has been very happy ever since I brought it home. Hey, wait a minute! What do you mean?
It is a beautiful color and looks comfortable and solid. If I were to buy a big beautiful motorcycle, it would look like that.
debbiedowner, YOU are my friend.
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#117 2005-10-02 6:46 am
Re: What have I done?
Dunkin' wrote:
dvpierce wrote:
Why are you up at 5 am?
His breakfast is watching him.
It's REALLY hard to sleep with breakfast spying on you all night. I think it's out to get me for all the years I've been eating it...
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#118 2005-10-02 9:51 am
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So, Oatmeal, how was the party? And why did you serve breakfast foods?
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#119 2005-10-02 7:59 pm
Re: What have I done?
dvpierce wrote:
freecat wrote:
dvpierce wrote:
My car can.So?
If my puny ass 2L, 3k pound car can do 100mph on a flat surface, doesn't seem like there should be a reason a 650cc 352 pound motorcycle with 200 pounds of Oats in tow can't do it, right?
Well, air resistance, maybe.
Forget about air resistance for the moment. Power. Weight. Gearing. It's a 650cc motorcycle, but does it even make 35 hp at the wheel? It's wet weight is likely well over 400lbs, so call it 550-600 lbs with a rider. Then, is the gearing sufficient to allow such a run. My guess is it isn't. Googling "Savage top speed" shows various reviews saying anything from a low of 81 mph top speed to a high of 95 mph.
My bike is also a 650cc Suzuki motorcycle, with a dry weight of around 363 pounds, and with 200 pounds of freecat in tow it does 110 mph easily, probably 120, but probably not the 125 mph that some skinny guy pulled off for a Cycle World test run. The difference between one relatively light 650 and the other, though, is about 30-35 hp and a higher top gear.
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#120 2005-10-03 4:46 am
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Re: What have I done?
freecat wrote:
Forget about air resistance for the moment. Power. Weight. Gearing. It's a 650cc motorcycle, but does it even make 35 hp at the wheel? It's wet weight is likely well over 400lbs, so call it 550-600 lbs with a rider. Then, is the gearing sufficient to allow such a run. My guess is it isn't. Googling "Savage top speed" shows various reviews saying anything from a low of 81 mph top speed to a high of 95 mph.
My bike is also a 650cc Suzuki motorcycle, with a dry weight of around 363 pounds, and with 200 pounds of freecat in tow it does 110 mph easily, probably 120, but probably not the 125 mph that some skinny guy pulled off for a Cycle World test run. The difference between one relatively light 650 and the other, though, is about 30-35 hp and a higher top gear.
Weight has very little to do with top speed (acceleration, yes, but top speed, no). Low drag, high power and correct gearing are key to overcoming air resistance or drag. Your 650 makes more power so it can pull gearing that allows a higher top speed. And your bike has a fairing? Air resistance becomes more important the higher the speed. That is why you tuck in and get small to achieve the best top speeds.
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#121 2005-10-04 8:07 pm
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And your bike has a fairing?
Not really, no. It's power and gearing.
Fair enough about weight, though in the real world power-to-weight influences gearing, which influences top speed.
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#122 2005-10-04 8:14 pm
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Re: What have I done?
freecat wrote:
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And your bike has a fairing?
Not really, no. It's power and gearing.
Fair enough about weight, though in the real world power-to-weight influences gearing, which influences top speed.
That be true.
I have noticed that most really fast things have bodywork that reduces drag. For example: airplanes, bullet trains, lamborghinis.
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