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#226 2003-02-12 10:35 am

DavidMichael
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Re: France finally exposed for what it is

StyerCPD this is for you, In the interests of fairness and balance of course. wink History may be off but enjoy all the same.

-King Phillips War- Loss. But as it was 101 years before Independence, can hardly be placed at the feet of the US of A

-French-Indian War- Loss. But win for the British Not US of A.

-American Revolution- Win. Yup. The FIRST win for the fledgeling US

-War of 1812- Stalemate- There were wins and losses on both sides during the two years that the war lasted, with no clear victory for either of the warring parties (the Treaty of Ghent signed on 24 December 1814 maintained the status quo).

-Mexican American War- Win. OK, but who could not win against the Mexicans? Not a fair comaprison.

-Civil War- Stalemate. Neither side won. It is arguable that 'America' lost. 

-The Indian Wars- Ummm! - Unfair outcome. Yet they all but gave the US a trouncing.

-Spanish American War- Not really a War and not really an outcome

-WWI-50/50- But not by US of A on her own. She came in when the main course was almost finished and the sweet about to be served. (Likes to take the credit though).

-WWII-50/50- Again came in late (slept through her wake-up alarm). By the time US was ass-kicked into the War, the Allies had already been at it almost two and a half years. 

-Korea War-Loss- Not just a loss, but a major ass-kicking. 54,246 dead and still 2,187 MIA. Ended in an Armistice. War is still technically "go".

Veitnam War- Loss- An even more major ass-kicking. Just ask any one of the names on the war memorial in Washington DC. Still 8,147 MIA from that major boot-u-th-jaxy.

Grenada- Won- Big deal! Are you REALLY having to scrape the barrel this low to include this as a "win"?

Cold War-Surrender by the other side - No clear victory as ther was no war, per se.

Panama- Win- Are you REALLY going to call this a War?

Gulf War-Loss- Otherwise we would not be doing what we are doing now. Loss of a very great magnitude.

Former Yugoslavia- Zero- It was NOT a war.

Afghanistan- Loss- The reason the war started was to get Osama Bin Laden. If you regard it as a win, then why is he (OBL) still sending tapes? It can't be from "the other side"!

At a quick analysis of the above:
Tries:          18
Assists:         2   
Losses:         7
Wins:            3
N/A:             6


How would you report those figures using Baseball scoring/reporting techniques?


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#227 2003-02-12 10:58 am

Cyberpawz
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Re: France finally exposed for what it is

Wow, that sure took a lot of work.

Tells ya some people on this board have wayyy too much time on their hands...

Cyberpawz


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#228 2003-02-12 11:09 am

Cyberpawz
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Re: France finally exposed for what it is

StyerCPD this is for you, In the interests of fairness and balance of course. wink History may be off but enjoy all the same.

-WWII-50/50- Again came in late (slept through her wake-up alarm). By the time US was ass-kicked into the War, the Allies had already been at it almost two and a half years. 

Next to having family who survived the beaches of Normandy, who helped design the first Atomic Bomb, and who flew over "The Hump" to supply Allied forces in the fight with Japan on the ground... you are telling me that WWII was a TIE?

WTF are you smoking and where can I get some?

This is not a what if scenario... this is fact.

If the US did not get involved in WWII, All of Europe, would be under the rule of Germany. The UK was months from falling, France was gone, Germany was working their way down through Africa.

All they needed was a warm season and Russia probably would of fallen (with the help of the Japanese).

So don't tell me that we tied...we went in, opened a can of Whup-Ass and flattened the soul of Japan with two major attacks, and the German front with the blood of our own men. 

Not until we got over there did any of the other countries have a chance, so please do not tell me that we got in there late...we got in there, and we started to finished the job no one else could on their own.

Cyberpawz


Governing sense, mind and intellect, intent of liberation, free from desire, fear and anger, the sage is forever free.

Bhagavad Gita (c.B.C. 400)

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#229 2003-02-12 11:49 am

Steyr AUG
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Re: France finally exposed for what it is

-Mexican American War- Win. OK, but who could not win against the Mexicans?

Why the french of course.


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#230 2003-02-12 11:59 am

KHannon
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Registered: 2000-05-14
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Re: France finally exposed for what it is

-Mexican American War- Win. OK, but who could not win against the Mexicans?

Why the french of course.

I have to admit that that is pretty damn funny

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#231 2003-02-12 12:23 pm

Dragula
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Re: France finally exposed for what it is

-Mexican American War- Win. OK, but who could not win against the Mexicans?

Why the french of course.

Actually France did, they invaded Mexico in 1861 or 1862, it happened during the Civil War in the U.S.

If I can find a link on it I'll post it.


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#232 2003-02-12 12:25 pm

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Re: France finally exposed for what it is

Since OnTheBeach is from Japan, he's best versed on Japanese history.

StyerCPD this is for you, In the interests of fairness and balance of course. wink History may be off but enjoy all the same.

Enough said.  So much for Homeland Security.  Their loose interpretation of fact is neither your fault nor mine.

-King Phillips War- Win.

-French-Indian War- Win..

-American Revolution- Win.

-War of 1812- Win-

-Mexican American War- Win. We got Texas and California as a result, right?

-Civil War- Win. Lincoln freed the slaves, and enforced this act of freedom among the dissidents back then.

-The Indian Wars- Win-Indians are either with us or rotting in reservations.

-Spanish American War- Win- yeah, we got Cuba, Santo Domingo, Phillipines, and Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands for this effort.  Screw the Spanish for sinking the Maine!

-WWI-win-  would Germany learn its lesson from its resounding defeat?  Read on!

-WWII-Win- (your he-man observations notwithstanding, OTB )big_smile Guess who's still afterglowing from that hit you took in Hiroshima and Nagasaki? wink

-Korea War- Draw- Nothing ventured, noting gained.  Peace is more important than victory.

Veitnam War- Loss- Strape them creeps in the rice paddy daddy diddywump, diddywump! Burn their bellies with napalm jelly diddy wump, diddy wump(courtesy of the Fugs).   America sucks for defending a dictatorship against a communist threat.  Did the vietcong ever send suicide bombers to Grand Central Station?  The FALN planted bombs in La Guardia Airport yet we didn't go attack Puerto Rico, right?

Grenada- Won-

More correctly The Sixth War in Beautiful Places....Fought for the sole altruistic pupose of educating our friends in Grenada of the ups and downs of geopolitics. And fought again on beautiful beaches. Need I say more. A war chiefly remembered for our infallible and ruggedly handsome military top brass giving out more decorations and citations than people actually taking part in the war. And quite right too.

Actually, I quite agree with this witty and sardonic observation, so I'll let it go.

Cold War-Win- Hey, we outlasted the Russkies, right?.

Panama- Loss- yeah, Noriega was a threat to world peace, right? tongue . So we handed him the Canal tongue

Gulf War-Win- Iraq's out of Kuwait but Saddam's still in charge.  Duh?

Former Yugoslavia- bullsmurf war- Your obviously sarcastic observations notwithstanding (I knew we'd agree on something!).

Afghanistan- Win- Well, sort of.   The women are free of burkas.

Iraq- Still trying to sell our case, which becomes less and less clear by the day.  Anybody remember when Iraq was an "axis of evil?"  Over a year ago it was. wink

Anybody with any questions regarding the veracity of these proven facts please address your inquiries to The Office of Homeland Security and you are assured of a prompt reponse.

BTW, they want to know if that's really a laptop in your briefcase : tongue

Big Brother is watching us all.  Too bad he's an incompetent nincompoop.  We are all in trouble.


AutoJC

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#233 2003-02-12 3:11 pm

Mr. Bingley
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Re: France finally exposed for what it is

-Mexican American War- Win. OK, but who could not win against the Mexicans?

Why the french of course.

Actually France did, they invaded Mexico in 1861 or 1862, it happened during the Civil War in the U.S.

If I can find a link on it I'll post it.

yeah, but they lost there too.

6,000 french troops under General Charles Latrille Laurency marched towards Mexico City. Nothing stood in their way except a hastily assembled, poorly armed force of 4,000 Mexicans at Puebla under the command of General Ignacio Zaragoza. On May 5, 1862 the french charged up the steep Cerro de Guadalupe toward the outnumbered mexican defenders. Somehow, the mexicans held, counter-attacked and drove the french back to Veracruz


is that a real poncho? i mean is it a mexican pocho or is it a sears poncho?

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#234 2003-02-12 3:52 pm

Dragula
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Re: France finally exposed for what it is

-Mexican American War- Win. OK, but who could not win against the Mexicans?

Why the french of course.

Actually France did, they invaded Mexico in 1861 or 1862, it happened during the Civil War in the U.S.

If I can find a link on it I'll post it.

yeah, but they lost there too.

6,000 french troops under General Charles Latrille Laurency marched towards Mexico City. Nothing stood in their way except a hastily assembled, poorly armed force of 4,000 Mexicans at Puebla under the command of General Ignacio Zaragoza. On May 5, 1862 the french charged up the steep Cerro de Guadalupe toward the outnumbered mexican defenders. Somehow, the mexicans held, counter-attacked and drove the french back to Veracruz

You should have read the rest of it...

"Lead by General Ignacio Zaragoza Seguin, a small, poorly armed militia of about 4,500 were able to stop and defeat a well outfitted French army of 6,500 soldiers. The victory was a glorious moment for Mexican patriots and is the cause for the historical date's celebration.   Unfortunately, the victory was short lived. Upon hearing the bad news, Napoleon had found an excuse to send more troops overseas to help Maximilian, against the wishes of the French populace. 30,000 more troops and a full year later, the French were eventually able to depose the Mexican army, take over Mexico City and install Maximilian as ruler.   Maximilian's rule of Mexico was also short lived (1864-1867)"

I wouldn't call that a loss, not a great victory, but certianly not a defeat.


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#235 2003-02-12 4:04 pm

Cyberpawz
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Re: France finally exposed for what it is

-Mexican American War- Win. OK, but who could not win against the Mexicans?

Why the french of course.

Actually France did, they invaded Mexico in 1861 or 1862, it happened during the Civil War in the U.S.

If I can find a link on it I'll post it.

yeah, but they lost there too.

6,000 french troops under General Charles Latrille Laurency marched towards Mexico City. Nothing stood in their way except a hastily assembled, poorly armed force of 4,000 Mexicans at Puebla under the command of General Ignacio Zaragoza. On May 5, 1862 the french charged up the steep Cerro de Guadalupe toward the outnumbered mexican defenders. Somehow, the mexicans held, counter-attacked and drove the french back to Veracruz

You should have read the rest of it...

"Lead by General Ignacio Zaragoza Seguin, a small, poorly armed militia of about 4,500 were able to stop and defeat a well outfitted French army of 6,500 soldiers. The victory was a glorious moment for Mexican patriots and is the cause for the historical date's celebration.   Unfortunately, the victory was short lived. Upon hearing the bad news, Napoleon had found an excuse to send more troops overseas to help Maximilian, against the wishes of the French populace. 30,000 more troops and a full year later, the French were eventually able to depose the Mexican army, take over Mexico City and install Maximilian as ruler.   Maximilian's rule of Mexico was also short lived (1864-1867)"

I wouldn't call that a loss, not a great victory, but certianly not a defeat.

I'd call it a hiccup.

Cyberpawz


Governing sense, mind and intellect, intent of liberation, free from desire, fear and anger, the sage is forever free.

Bhagavad Gita (c.B.C. 400)

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#236 2003-02-12 9:07 pm

Onthebeach
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Re: France finally exposed for what it is

DavidMichael wrote:

humorless stuff

AutoJC wrote:

humorless stuff

You two are in desperate need of a humor enema. AutoJC I am not "from" Japan. I live here. My post was just a response to Styer's funny post about French history. It was in no way supposed to be an accurate version of events. If I have in any way offended you with that light hearted look at  American history I do most humbly apologize BUT if you couldn't recognize the spirit in which it was written you must be even more stupid than I thought.


If any ask us why we died,
Tell them 'Because our fathers lied'.
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#237 2003-02-13 12:33 pm

Mr. Bingley
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Posts: 368

Re: France finally exposed for what it is

-Mexican American War- Win. OK, but who could not win against the Mexicans?

Why the french of course.

Actually France did, they invaded Mexico in 1861 or 1862, it happened during the Civil War in the U.S.

If I can find a link on it I'll post it.

yeah, but they lost there too.

6,000 french troops under General Charles Latrille Laurency marched towards Mexico City. Nothing stood in their way except a hastily assembled, poorly armed force of 4,000 Mexicans at Puebla under the command of General Ignacio Zaragoza. On May 5, 1862 the french charged up the steep Cerro de Guadalupe toward the outnumbered mexican defenders. Somehow, the mexicans held, counter-attacked and drove the french back to Veracruz

You should have read the rest of it...

"Lead by General Ignacio Zaragoza Seguin, a small, poorly armed militia of about 4,500 were able to stop and defeat a well outfitted French army of 6,500 soldiers. The victory was a glorious moment for Mexican patriots and is the cause for the historical date's celebration.   Unfortunately, the victory was short lived. Upon hearing the bad news, Napoleon had found an excuse to send more troops overseas to help Maximilian, against the wishes of the French populace. 30,000 more troops and a full year later, the French were eventually able to depose the Mexican army, take over Mexico City and install Maximilian as ruler.   Maximilian's rule of Mexico was also short lived (1864-1867)"

I wouldn't call that a loss, not a great victory, but certianly not a defeat.

at best a waste wink

1861: Napoleon III suggested Maximilian as a candidate for the throne of Mexico.
 
1863: In October a Mexican delegation arrived at Miramar to offer Maximilian and Charlotte
.........the crown. Maximilian made his acceptance conditional on a national plebiscite.
 
1864: On the 14th April Maximilian left Miramar on board the Austrian ship NOVARA to
.........sail to Mexico.
 
1865: End of the American civil war. Pressure on France to respect the Monroe Doctrine.
 
1866: Napoleon III ordered the withdrawal of French troops from Mexico. The Emperor Maximilian refused to desert his Mexican supporters. Charlotte sailed to Europe to plead for help, where a growing persecution mania robbed her of her senses. Republican troops on the advance in Mexico.
 
1867: Maximilian and his Imperial troops besieged in the town of Quer


is that a real poncho? i mean is it a mexican pocho or is it a sears poncho?

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#238 2003-02-13 1:55 pm

Dragula
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Registered: 2002-05-17
Posts: 1291

Re: France finally exposed for what it is

-Mexican American War- Win. OK, but who could not win against the Mexicans?

Why the french of course.

Actually France did, they invaded Mexico in 1861 or 1862, it happened during the Civil War in the U.S.

If I can find a link on it I'll post it.

yeah, but they lost there too.

6,000 french troops under General Charles Latrille Laurency marched towards Mexico City. Nothing stood in their way except a hastily assembled, poorly armed force of 4,000 Mexicans at Puebla under the command of General Ignacio Zaragoza. On May 5, 1862 the french charged up the steep Cerro de Guadalupe toward the outnumbered mexican defenders. Somehow, the mexicans held, counter-attacked and drove the french back to Veracruz

You should have read the rest of it...

"Lead by General Ignacio Zaragoza Seguin, a small, poorly armed militia of about 4,500 were able to stop and defeat a well outfitted French army of 6,500 soldiers. The victory was a glorious moment for Mexican patriots and is the cause for the historical date's celebration.   Unfortunately, the victory was short lived. Upon hearing the bad news, Napoleon had found an excuse to send more troops overseas to help Maximilian, against the wishes of the French populace. 30,000 more troops and a full year later, the French were eventually able to depose the Mexican army, take over Mexico City and install Maximilian as ruler.   Maximilian's rule of Mexico was also short lived (1864-1867)"

I wouldn't call that a loss, not a great victory, but certianly not a defeat.

at best a waste wink

1861: Napoleon III suggested Maximilian as a candidate for the throne of Mexico.
 
1863: In October a Mexican delegation arrived at Miramar to offer Maximilian and Charlotte
.........the crown. Maximilian made his acceptance conditional on a national plebiscite.
 
1864: On the 14th April Maximilian left Miramar on board the Austrian ship NOVARA to
.........sail to Mexico.
 
1865: End of the American civil war. Pressure on France to respect the Monroe Doctrine.
 
1866: Napoleon III ordered the withdrawal of French troops from Mexico. The Emperor Maximilian refused to desert his Mexican supporters. Charlotte sailed to Europe to plead for help, where a growing persecution mania robbed her of her senses. Republican troops on the advance in Mexico.
 
1867: Maximilian and his Imperial troops besieged in the town of Quer


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