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.....yet Joschka Fischer has some skeletons the size of Montana in his closet.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/ar … Feb11.html

When did the Germans claim "to be so poius"?  It's funny how we loved and admired the Germans until last week and now they are parias.  We can dig up the same thinly political crap on any countries leaders, but what's the point?

.....yet Joschka Fischer has some skeletons the size of Montana in his closet.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/ar … Feb11.html

When did the Germans claim "to be so poius"?

Don't you even pay attention to to the bile coming out of Europe?

  It's funny how we loved and admired the Germans until last week and now they are parias.  We can dig up the same thinly political crap on any countries leaders, but what's the point?

Fischer befriended and aided Marxist and Palestinian terrorist groups, including voicing his support for the call for the exinction of Jews in Israel.

Those in the left that point to Germany as providing moral leadership are either blind or are as immoral as German's repugnant leadership.

Just because one guy in the German government has stuff in his past you don't like, doesn't mean the German stance on Iraq is wrong.

Americans are having fun getting pissed off at the countries opposing their attack on Iraq, but the truth is that the attack is opposed by millions and millions of people. There are plenty of countries where the overwhelming majority want the US to stay the hell out.

It's easier to attack individuals than to discuss issues, so go ahead if you want to. But NATO's resistance is just a sign of the anti-Americanism to come. So if you don't like what the Germans and French are doing, you'd better brace yourself, because it's only the beginning.

Just because one guy in the German government has stuff in his past you don't like, doesn't mean the German stance on Iraq is wrong.

Americans are having fun getting pissed off at the countries opposing their attack on Iraq, but the truth is that the attack is opposed by millions and millions of people. There are plenty of countries where the overwhelming majority want the US to stay the hell out.

It's easier to attack individuals than to discuss issues, so go ahead if you want to. But NATO's resistance is just a sign of the anti-Americanism to come. So if you don't like what the Germans and French are doing, you'd better brace yourself, because it's only the beginning.

NATO's resistance?  Try 3 of the members.

Just because one guy in the German government has stuff in his past you don't like, doesn't mean the German stance on Iraq is wrong.....snip

Why dont you apply that logic to the US position on Iraq?  Just because you dont like GBW and some others in his administration doesnt mean the entire US government is wrong.  GWB is just one man.  He will be president for another 1 3/4 and possibly more, but he does not embody the USA.  Many Americans dont agree with all of his ideas.  And yet he is not as far off as many of you would like to believe.  Whether its intentional or through an accident he is much more in line with the correct approach to Iraq than the Euro-doves.  While he is a bit "over the top" in his approach to solving the problem, he is not competely wrong either.  The game that has been going on between Iraq and the UN for the past decade or so needs to come to an end.  You continue to complain about all the innocent lives that will be lost in a use of force against Saddam.  What about all the innocent Iraqi citizens that are dying of malnutrition, and simple health related issues due to the economic sanctions imposed by the UN.  Saddam is passing the cost of the sanctions on to his people so that his administration and his military program dont feel its effects.  This is wrong, costly in human lives and needs to stop.  The only way to get Iraq to comply is with consequences.  Iraq currently fears no consequences from the UN, which is why this game with the inspectors has gone on for so long.  Without the US flexing its muscles, there would have been zero progress and the inspections and sanctions would go on for who knows how long.  People are dying daily in Iraq and the risk of Iraqi WMD becoming a world problem increases daily with the UN's lack of consequences.  More needs to be done.  The UN needs to get off their collective asses and take a que from the US.  Perhaps war isnt the only option, but more inspections with more inspectors, Iraqi laws against WMD, and more of the status quo will not solve the problem either.  Iraq needs to be held accountable for its inaction and consequences (not just sanctions and inspections) need to be imposed by the UN, including the use of force if necessary.

I applaud German pacifism in general, and liken it to the attitude of an alcoholic teetotaller.  It's not that they claim to be more pious, but that they know that there some things they can't do sensibly, and therefore shouldn't do at all. 

Germans can't invade other countries.  Not even one, not even a little bit.  If they get a bit holier-than-thou at those of us who do, well, it's better than falling off the wagon.

I find I get a bit "pious" at smokers, but the one I'm really disapproving of is my own self.

Wondering why you posted this. This is old news. Didn't you know about it until now?

I don't trust editorials.  If he was as extreme as this article says than he would never have been allowed to stay in office.  Germany does not tolerate anti-semitism at all.  These are just lies in my opinion.  He was a protestor when he was young but that was all.  I have met him when he came to the German school I study at on weekends.  He is nice.

Lies, huh?  Like how Che didn't contribute to the installation of brutal, oppressive dictators?

Che was certainly a lot more pious than the our founding fathers...

Lies, huh?  Like how Che didn't contribute to the installation of brutal, oppressive dictators?

What does Che have to do with Fischer?  Why do people need to use smear tactics against people they disagree with, so childish (I'm refering to the article).

It's smear tactics, huh?  (translation: The article threatens skatercolin's efforts at advocating the fradulent Marxist philosophy)

I don't trust editorials.  If he was as extreme as this article says than he would never have been allowed to stay in office.  Germany does not tolerate anti-semitism at all.  These are just lies in my opinion.  He was a protestor when he was young but that was all.  I have met him when he came to the German school I study at on weekends.  He is nice.

Lies, huh?  Like how Che didn't contribute to the installation of brutal, oppressive dictators?

Che was certainly a lot more pious than the our founding fathers...

the founding fathers didn't envision what we have now.  what they wanted is what we want:

http://www.anarchy.org/library/chomsky1.html