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hillbilly wrote:

If there is no war, Saddam stays in power.

Incorrect.

No it is true, he would stay well in power.

If there is no war, Saddam stays in power.

Incorrect.

No it is true, he would stay well in power.

I do not agree. I believe Saddam can be removed from power without War.

How?  Let's see some theories.  Hypotheses if you don't have theories.  Links, maybe? 

He has a strong power base in the Ba'ath party and a ruthless reputation of keeping subordinates in line.

hillbilly wrote:

How? Let's see some theories. Hypotheses if you don't have theories. Links, maybe?

Well there is always assasination

You'd still have his son and his cronies

Enticed Rebellion

Yeah, that worked after the Gulf War

Diplomacy

    12 years of "success" on that front give you that much confidence?    

Hey I never said they would work, but they are ways that you could get him out of power.

But they aren't ways that you could get him out of power if they won't work.

These are the sort of people Lenin ever-so-cynically called "useful idiots".

A quote from the article:

The U.N. refugee agency said it is concerned about possible shortages of food, drinking water, winterized shelters, sanitation, and other basic services.

And the useful idiots are going to be there to do their part to put a strain on these resources. Is that the way to help the Iraqi people? The idiots want to be under the bombs when they fall, thus adding to the casualty count and filling up the hospitals, straining the medical resources and ensuring that additional Iraqis die. Clearly they want to make a "grand, stupid, futile gesture" but haven't thought through the consquences of their actions.

Unlike President Bush, who has devoted vast amounts of brainpower to the consequences of his actions .......

...with vastly better results for himself and those who depend on him.

It's early days yet.

(BTW: your cheap swipes at our president are getting tedious.)

BTW: the cheap swipes at people who oppose him are getting tedious.

Here's an idea Hillbilly, I walk over to your house, put a gun to your head, and then tell you that because you're supporting a regime that I'm opposed to, that you have no choice but to die...

These are LIVES you moron.  PEOPLE.  Learn to look THINK before you take away someone's mother or child.  Think about it in perspective of ACTUAL people, instead of dehumanizing opposers until their deaths are no more important to you than a video game...

You make me sick you senseless bastard.

Y'know, I get sick of you cowboys who intentionally post such as to get a rise out of people. You like to hurl the vitriol around. . . and it makes some of us understand what you want. . . that you actually want war. . . you actually want to stir things up. . . you actually want an excuse to 'americanize' people. . . to 'intervene' everywhere that people don't fit hillbilly's nice little 'logically arrived at' idea of how people should be. Now I understand why you're so all fired concerned about so called 'anti americanism. . . it's people like you that intervene where they don't belong and are a large part of the reason that bad things happen.

I'm aware of your 'logic' - hillbilly, it sounds more and more like that 'witch' scene in Monty Python's Holy Grail every day. What you lack is a true moral imperative so you use 'logic' to justify invading a regime that represents no real threat. By your logic we 'must' invade every nation posessed of a dictatorial regime that 'might' sell weapons to terrorists or attack us in some way. . . not 'will' but 'might'.

The danger in logic is that one can form a consistent argument for just about anything.

They have not attacked the US. They will not attack the US. To assume they will is just paranoid.

it's certainly irrelevant now. You just want an excuse. . . and you're demonstrating more and more each day that you're willing to reach quite far into your posterior fundamental orifice to pull one out.

I've formed quite a coherent argument, thank you. I agree that we should increase the number of inspectors and, by extension, the number and randomness of the inspections themselves. I agree that UN personnel would be useful in assisting.

Obviously, you are either illiterate or retarded, because you just continue being intentionally pugnaceous and disagreeable in an effort to anger people and turn debate into a partisan insult fest. I've done all the insulting of you I will. . . you won't hear any more because I'm recognizing this pattern. . . it reminds me of a certain equestrian from Sleepy Hollow. . .

Honest people are certainly entitled to have differing opinions than I. You show your true colors, though, by your repeated posts which are intended to incite disharmony with those who do not believe as you do on this issue.

You get plenty of good debate here. . . plenty of people have come forward with valid diasgreements to your view.