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Why did some Apple Alum PB have lcd/spot problem while some don't when it was first release? I think you are over-complicated things a little.

By the way, just in case you don't realize, LG-Philips, Samsung-Sony is the biggie as far as LCD panel is concern with billions invest in research/fab, I doubt very much Apple will go out and "tell" LG how to design/QC a lcd monitor instead of buying/relabel what LG have to offer in a bid.

robco wrote:

Not to mention laptop batteries catching on fire, AC adapters needing to be replaced, iBook logic boards, iMac G5s overheating…

Apple has had their share of design gaffes and manufacturing problems.

Right.  And any defect will affect some units and not others.  That is the nature of a defect.

But when one line of products (the Dell's) has many units roll-out with a certain defect, and another line of products (the Apple) does not have this same defect, it suggests a difference in something like the quality control, the specs or the assembly techniques.

PCGuy - your logic would be flawed.

robco wrote:

That holds true for manufacturing defects.  More widespread problems usually indicates a design defect.  The widespread problems with iBook logic boards would indicate a design defect.

Either way, there was a manufacturing defect or a design defect in the Dell that did not exist in the Apple.  I offered this not as any "proof" or arugment that one is better, but simply as a counter-point to the PCGuy's oversimpligifcation that the mfg, design and quality control between the 2 products was identical.  How could it be identical, when one had a mfg defect or design flaw, and the other did not?

I suppose it depends on what you like about the Mac.  For me, it really isn't about the hardware.  I care more about the OS.  If I could buy hardware from another source and run OS X, I'd probably consider it.

The point is that Apple has had their fair share of problems.  Dell also had some reported complaints on early versions of the display.  Like Apple, they fixed the problem.  It happens.  What's important is the response when it happens.

the apple backlight is significantly better than the dell one.

Czachorski wrote:

The Apple and Dell displays should have a similar price point if they are the same quality and value.  If the mfg, quality control or design is better on the Apple, it would justify the increased cost.

I just think its funny how far you'll go to convince yourself 'its worth it' when obviously there are competing products at a better price point.

Why ask for vaseline when you obviously love the raw ass raping they dish out at the register right ?

lol

Freezer mac wrote:

the apple backlight is significantly better than the dell one.

How so?
Is the light longer lasting at higher level?
Is the light somehow more even?
Is the light have different sprectrum that seem to be better for you?

Lets assume you are correct, and that somehow Apple version of backlight is superior, do you then assume that Dell backlight cost $1 and the Apple magic light cost $300 to $400 more?

By the way Cza, to be real honest about this stuff, I have seen both and use both for quite a bit, I actually think that Dell 20in is every bit equal of the more expensive Apple version!

HackerJax wrote:

Czachorski wrote:

HackerJax wrote:

I just think its funny how far you'll go to convince yourself 'its worth it' when obviously there are competing products at a better price point.

Why ask for vaseline when you obviously love the raw ass raping they dish out at the register right ?

lol

I don't need to go that far at all.  I think the Apple looks better - both the case and the display.  I can afford the difference.  No more justification needed.

All the rest of this discussion has just been to offset all the misconceptions around here.

I like to pull your chain sometimes but in all honesty I respect you and I enjoy reading your 'angle' on things.

If the thing is neon blue and thats worth $500 more to a guy then by all means spend it is what I think.

I know you do that, and it doesn't bother me a bit.  It is actually pretty fun to try to unravel what makes yourself tick.  Most decisions are based on emotion first, and logic second.  It is fun to go back afterwords and figure out how those 2 mixed in.  I think I am being pretty fair with myself by admitting that a good part of the reason I bought the Apple is because of an emotional bias against Dell and a something in the back of my brain somewhere that lusted after the Apple.

But there are also some facts in there, as thin as they might be.  I can understand if sometime it is easy to get my posts that debate and discuss those facts mixed up with me trying to spin something.  It really is just a genuine enjoyment of the technical discussion and the debate style of posts.  From that respect, I have come to enjoy PCGuy's positions around here, because they are fun to run up the flag pole.  Even when he pisses me off, I still try to come back around to being courteous to him.  (eventually  )

When I swtiched to Apple 3 yrs ago, it also coincided with a point in my life where I was starting to enjoy some success in my career and could for the first time afford to buy products based more on what I like than always trying to get the best deal.  I am still an engineer, though, and I will always have a very strong tendency to try to optimize things, and buying the cheapest product that provides the best value still runs strong in me.  One of the few places where I "allow" myself to ignore that tendency is with Apple stuff.  I actually enjoy the little nicities, even if the extra cost is not justified, but just because I like it and I enjoy being a "MacAddict".  I still can not let go though, on things like cars, household applicances and vacations, much to my wifes dismay.

I truely can respect and sometime I do the same myself, that is make purchase based on just pure lust and not price/performance/need.

What pull my chain is when people buy stuff based on personal feeling, but have to get everyone to agree with his choice as being the wise one but with makeup logic and fact based on smoke!

Hey, if money is no object, I get the damn 30in Apple lcd

HackerJax wrote:

Czachorski wrote:

The Apple and Dell displays should have a similar price point if they are the same quality and value.  If the mfg, quality control or design is better on the Apple, it would justify the increased cost.

I just think its funny how far you'll go to convince yourself 'its worth it' when obviously there are competing products at a better price point.

Why ask for vaseline when you obviously love the raw ass raping they dish out at the register right ?

lol

Once again, two words I'll quote from yours truly: Brand Loyalty



edit: @ our resident PC voice - "if I had the money..." - I share the sentiment wholly. Crap - I Wish I could afford the 30"

Gonna be a drinking weekend - back in Iowa to see some folks. A drink for each of you (guaranteed) this weekend

Last edited by iBubba (2005-10-21 4:44 pm)

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brand loyality

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Sony

I am sure there is a reason, but quality or because it is the best of the best might not be the "reason"

reh wrote:

I suppose I'll drag this thread kicking and screaming back to the original topic... Just got the display today and it's:

http://homepage.mac.com/oatmeal/MAF/max … mbnail.gif

Here is the display being driven by my 1.2GHz G4 iBook via VGA (pic is linked to a 454KB jpg).

http://www.herskal.com/graphics/forums/ … ext.sm.jpg

This Dell display looks a lot nicer in person. Still not as nice as Apple's but certainly good enough for my tastes. Dang, I gotta figure out what to do with all this screen real estate now.

Where did you get that desktop picture?

All the discussion and debate in this thread are really just semantics.  When the decision is made and it shows up and you hook it up, you are left with the awesome experience of a high-quality and large 20" display.  It really is so nice to go from a regular monitor to the nice big diminsions on a 20" wide screen.

I am glad to hear you are happy with it.