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MysticCow wrote:

ShnickyShnack wrote:

As to "the XYZ debacle," I don't know what that refers to. If you look carefully, you'll find that I make it a rule never to participate in any of his threads. They only wind up one way, and it's no fun. But at least they're contained, you know? It doesn't spill over into every single goddamned thing anyone says.

My response to the XYZ debacle.  Work your way back to find the beginning.

I don't really get it. I didn't really take part in that discussion, and because I don't participate in XYZ threads I'm never really sure what all the latest beef is with (or from) him. I checked my own posts in that thread, and each one seems completely inoffensive.

MysticCow wrote:

ShnickyShnack wrote:

MysticCow wrote:

He gets a lot of the blame.  The ones who attacked back get a part of the blame too.  Again, it takes two people to fight.  You can try and weasel your way out of it as much as you want, but you're still guilty of personally attacking another poster on the forums.

No I'm not. I'm guilty of responding to a troll. That's not a wonderful thing, perhaps, but it's sure as hell a lot less blameworthy than being a troll, woudldn'y you agree?

What have I been saying all this time?  More or less gets more of the blame.  You're still getting some of the blame.  So why are you fighting with me over something we both agree with, unless you're trying to make yourself come off smelling springtime fresh?

If you all go away, then we're 100% certain of stabilization, so I'd shut up now.  You're also guilty of sniping at other posters, or do you not remember the part of the post about me that Oatie CENSORED?

I snap at people, you snap at people, we all cross the line from time to time. But as a rule? In every post? Nonstop? Nope.

Sounds to me like you're quite pissed off, and making this a personal issue. Indeed, you seem to be ARGUING WITH SOMEONE ON AN INTERNET MESSAGE BOARD.

Actually, I'm laughing about this and having a discussion with someone about what they did, which was argue on an internet message board.  Caps were meant for effect as opposed to shouting and I should have made myself more clear.  Sorry for the confusion.

Then why argue about it? Why do you even care? Shouldn't you just be ignoring both sides in this? Isn't that the "grown up" thing to do? Why are you even complaining?

I'm complaining because no topic can be discussed without you four coming in and mucking everything up, forcing a topic closure.  There's no way TO ignore it when it is at this level of pervasiveness.  At this point, I don't care who the hell started it or why it was started and why people are attacking each other on this board.  It's gotten way out of hand and IMHO, everyone involved needs a time out.

You had me agreeing with you until that last bit. It sounds once again like you're blaming other people for the thread locking, when you just moments earlier said the lion's share goes to the mole.

Sure, I take some of the blame. But not much. The stark logic remains: the mole acts like a grownup, and it all goes away. And I don't see you trying to argue otherwise.

ShnickyShnack wrote:

The stark logic remains: the mole acts like a grownup, and it all goes away. And I don't see you trying to argue otherwise.

man, that's just RICH.... 

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ShnickyShnack wrote:

MysticCow wrote:

ShnickyShnack wrote:

I in fact did report him, and have been pleading to have him banned for some time. With little to no success, I might add (alas).

As for my choice to respond to him, well, I don't see how I can be blamed for that. The purpose of this forum is to engage in dialog. And let's face it, if someone insults you, questions your intelligence and dogs you at every turn, you'll respond. How can you not? This is the real world we're talking about, not fantastyland.

Actually, you're little more than electromagnetic radiation on my computer screen, as is bedstuy, bratboy, and more or less.  Personally, I don't know if you're flesh and blood or if you're some incredibly sophisticated device posting on here.  Personally, I don't care and I don't see why people are getting mad and attacking each other ON AN INTERNET MESSAGE BOARD.  You're arguing on the internet, which is like running in the Special Olympics.

I'm not excusing any of you in this.  YOU ALL PERSONALLY CHOSE TO ATTACK.  While more or less started it (this is via second and third hand sources as I have not investigated every single post) and needs to shoulder more of the blame, you are all still responsible for your own actions.

Well, I'm operating from the assumption that everyone here is real.

We all agree that the mole started this nonsense. It's completely, blitheringly obvious, despite his protests of innocence.

And since he started it, he gets the blame. It's that simple.

Me, Beds, bratty and whoever else he was attacking ... if we go, does the place stabilize? Hell no.

If the mole goes and we stay, does it return to peace? Hell yes, obviously.

The situation is clear, and I don't know why you can't see that. Maybe he needs to have attacked you a bit in order to figure things out.

oh, so now i am attacking you?

would you like a nice gouda with your whine?  i would say this is beneath you, but as you have announced your campaign to ban me, its just sad really.

minithink was quite calm after you blew up and took your ball to ch54 last time.  actually, i never really "leave" this place.  i just dont get worked up enough to post all of the time.  plus, i tend to agree with things that are already said.

it seems being worked up is quite normal for you.  get over it. PLEASE.

like NOW.

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MysticCow wrote:

ShnickyShnack wrote:

We all agree that the mole started this nonsense. It's completely, blitheringly obvious, despite his protests of innocence.

And since he started it, he gets the blame. It's that simple.

He gets a lot of the blame.  The ones who attacked back get a part of the blame too.  Again, it takes two people to fight.  You can try and weasel your way out of it as much as you want, but you're still guilty of personally attacking another poster on the forums.

Me, Beds, bratty and whoever else he was attacking ... if we go, does the place stabilize? Hell no.

If the mole goes and we stay, does it return to peace? Hell yes, obviously.

If you all go away, then we're 100% certain of stabilization, so I'd shut up now.  You're also guilty of sniping at other posters, or do you not remember the part of the post about me that Oatie CENSORED?

The situation is clear, and I don't know why you can't see that. Maybe he needs to have attacked you a bit in order to figure things out.

OK, here is the situation.  More or less attacked.  You, bedstuy, and bratboy attacked back.  You're all attacking and all violating DBaJ.  If the attacks happened to me, I'd report it and go on normally, like I've done before (and with one of your posts in particular that Oatie had to CENSOR).  I've grown up and realized that it is perfectly useless to personally attack people on an internet message board.

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ShnickyShnack wrote:

MysticCow wrote:

Oatie the sniping and fighting is getting ridiculous.  Right now, Schnick, bedstuy, bratboy, and more or less are getting topics closed at an unusual rate (even for MiniThink).  It really is getting out of hand.

For those who say it's all more or less' fault, it STILL takes at least two people to fight.  One fires the first shot and the other one shoots back.  In other words, YOU ARE ALL RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS.

They've been warned how many times now?  And nothing has changed?  I'm not trying to tell you how to do your job here, but isn't it time for more extreme measures?

*edit* Oats, I do want to apologize.  While I'm not deleting the post (because it does have to do with the rules and enforecement theref), I think this one would have been better handled as a PM

How can you blame people for responding to jerky posts, but not the jerk who starts it? Makes no sense to me.

Things were way more civilized before the mole came around. Keep that in mind before you start casting blame about.

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Duke Stratosphere wrote:

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Duke Stratosphere wrote:

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the enitre post and you slice out "damn your thick" and you call that a DERAILMENT?

smurfin a/ man, i call smurf.  you are reaching man, hard.

Yeah. That's a personal attack, not just a derailment. It's a derailment as well, of course, because it's about the thickness of a poster's head.

but it had been established that i had ceased making sense.  and who the hell are you to judge?

If you really want to hassle his ass, I know where to find some zombie pictures.

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ShnickyShnack wrote:

MysticCow wrote:

ShnickyShnack wrote:

I in fact did report him, and have been pleading to have him banned for some time. With little to no success, I might add (alas).

As for my choice to respond to him, well, I don't see how I can be blamed for that. The purpose of this forum is to engage in dialog. And let's face it, if someone insults you, questions your intelligence and dogs you at every turn, you'll respond. How can you not? This is the real world we're talking about, not fantastyland.

Actually, you're little more than electromagnetic radiation on my computer screen, as is bedstuy, bratboy, and more or less.  Personally, I don't know if you're flesh and blood or if you're some incredibly sophisticated device posting on here.  Personally, I don't care and I don't see why people are getting mad and attacking each other ON AN INTERNET MESSAGE BOARD.  You're arguing on the internet, which is like running in the Special Olympics.

I'm not excusing any of you in this.  YOU ALL PERSONALLY CHOSE TO ATTACK.  While more or less started it (this is via second and third hand sources as I have not investigated every single post) and needs to shoulder more of the blame, you are all still responsible for your own actions.

Well, I'm operating from the assumption that everyone here is real.

We all agree that the mole started this nonsense. It's completely, blitheringly obvious, despite his protests of innocence.

And since he started it, he gets the blame. It's that simple.

Me, Beds, bratty and whoever else he was attacking ... if we go, does the place stabilize? Hell no.

If the mole goes and we stay, does it return to peace? Hell yes, obviously.

The situation is clear, and I don't know why you can't see that. Maybe he needs to have attacked you a bit in order to figure things out.

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bedstuy wrote:

hi... my name is Leo

is that the best you can do?

he just needs to apply himself.  boy's got skillz.

ShnickyShnack wrote:

MysticCow wrote:

ShnickyShnack wrote:

We all agree that the mole started this nonsense. It's completely, blitheringly obvious, despite his protests of innocence.

And since he started it, he gets the blame. It's that simple.

He gets a lot of the blame.  The ones who attacked back get a part of the blame too.  Again, it takes two people to fight.  You can try and weasel your way out of it as much as you want, but you're still guilty of personally attacking another poster on the forums.

No I'm not. I'm guilty of responding to a troll. That's not a wonderful thing, perhaps, but it's sure as hell a lot less blameworthy than being a troll, woudldn'y you agree?

Me, Beds, bratty and whoever else he was attacking ... if we go, does the place stabilize? Hell no.

If the mole goes and we stay, does it return to peace? Hell yes, obviously.

If you all go away, then we're 100% certain of stabilization, so I'd shut up now.  You're also guilty of sniping at other posters, or do you not remember the part of the post about me that Oatie CENSORED?

I snap at people, you snap at people, we all cross the line from time to time. But as a rule? In every post? Nonstop? Nope.

Sounds to me like you're quite pissed off, and making this a personal issue. Indeed, you seem to be ARGUING WITH SOMEONE ON AN INTERNET MESSAGE BOARD.

OK, here is the situation.  More or less attacked.  You, bedstuy, and bratboy attacked back.  You're all attacking and all violating DBaJ.  If the attacks happened to me, I'd report it and go on normally, like I've done before (and with one of your posts in particular that Oatie had to CENSOR).  I've grown up and realized that it is perfectly useless to personally attack people on an internet message board.

Then why argue about it? Why do you even care? Shouldn't you just be ignoring both sides in this? Isn't that the "grown up" thing to do? Why are you even complaining?

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MysticCow wrote:

Oatie the sniping and fighting is getting ridiculous.  Right now, Schnick, bedstuy, bratboy, and more or less are getting topics closed at an unusual rate (even for MiniThink).  It really is getting out of hand.

For those who say it's all more or less' fault, it STILL takes at least two people to fight.  One fires the first shot and the other one shoots back.  In other words, YOU ARE ALL RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS.

They've been warned how many times now?  And nothing has changed?  I'm not trying to tell you how to do your job here, but isn't it time for more extreme measures?

*edit* Oats, I do want to apologize.  While I'm not deleting the post (because it does have to do with the rules and enforecement thereof), I think this one would have been better handled as a PM

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it was calm?

and yet you cannot show i am the instigator.  think about it.  this has become a clique, not a discussion forum.

that you guys are down to doggin duke and me is rather pathetic.  but then, i suspect hobbes and nietzsche are right after all.

dont worry oates, i at least understand where you come from.  but you better look at it damn hard before you act.  the last time someone had a hissy fit and stormed off, i recall it was calm for several days

and i was here.

funny that.

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ShnickyShnack wrote:

I in fact did report him, and have been pleading to have him banned for some time. With little to no success, I might add (alas).

ahhhh, so the water in the well is poisoned after all.  it explains what you are doing, using my threads as excuses to bait me to support your little campaign to get me banned.

this makes you, in fact, the problem, as the behavior was a little odd even for you.  thanks for exposing yourself.

ShnickyShnack wrote:

As for my choice to respond to him, well, I don't see how I can be blamed for that. The purpose of this forum is to engage in dialog. And let's face it, if someone insults you, questions your intelligence and dogs you at every turn, you'll respond. How can you not? This is the real world we're talking about, not fantastyland.

really, do you get people banned inthe real world too? 

the enitre forum of my posts is at your disposal, i challlenge you to show me where i have insulted you?

ShnickyShnack wrote:

As to "the XYZ debacle," I don't know what that refers to. If you look carefully, you'll find that I make it a rule never to participate in any of his threads. They only wind up one way, and it's no fun. But at least they're contained, you know? It doesn't spill over into every single goddamned thing anyone says.

"every single thing anone goddamn says. blah blah blah."   do you even hear yourself?


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you dont want a discussion forum, you want to have your ego stroked.  i pity you, i really do.  you have been behaving with disingenuine behavior towards me, with intention, and it's obvious.

your mission has failed, quit being so petty and i will magically be the same old more or less i always have been.

testy, terse, and smarter than you.

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MysticCow wrote:

First off, you didn't read the entire post.  There is definitely more than enough blame to go around, similar to the XYZ debacle, of which you had a small amount of the blame there too. 

You had the choice to ignore the person making the attacks and use the report button or attack back. YOU CONSCIOUSLY CHOSE TO ATTACK BACK.  Nobody forced you to attack him back.  Nobody sat there with a gun to your head and said, "Attack more or less and make oatie's job hell."  You made your choice and need to accept the consequences just like the person who started the attack.

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MysticCow wrote:

ShnickyShnack wrote:

MysticCow wrote:

He gets a lot of the blame.  The ones who attacked back get a part of the blame too.  Again, it takes two people to fight.  You can try and weasel your way out of it as much as you want, but you're still guilty of personally attacking another poster on the forums.

No I'm not. I'm guilty of responding to a troll. That's not a wonderful thing, perhaps, but it's sure as hell a lot less blameworthy than being a troll, woudldn'y you agree?

What have I been saying all this time?  More or less gets more of the blame.  You're still getting some of the blame.  So why are you fighting with me over something we both agree with, unless you're trying to make yourself come off smelling springtime fresh?

If you all go away, then we're 100% certain of stabilization, so I'd shut up now.  You're also guilty of sniping at other posters, or do you not remember the part of the post about me that Oatie CENSORED?

I snap at people, you snap at people, we all cross the line from time to time. But as a rule? In every post? Nonstop? Nope.

Sounds to me like you're quite pissed off, and making this a personal issue. Indeed, you seem to be ARGUING WITH SOMEONE ON AN INTERNET MESSAGE BOARD.

Actually, I'm laughing about this and having a discussion with someone about what they did, which was argue on an internet message board.  Caps were meant for effect as opposed to shouting and I should have made myself more clear.  Sorry for the confusion.

Then why argue about it? Why do you even care? Shouldn't you just be ignoring both sides in this? Isn't that the "grown up" thing to do? Why are you even complaining?

I'm complaining because no topic can be discussed without you four coming in and mucking everything up, forcing a topic closure.  There's no way TO ignore it when it is at this level of pervasiveness.  At this point, I don't care who the hell started it or why it was started and why people are attacking each other on this board.  It's gotten way out of hand and IMHO, everyone involved needs a time out.

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oatmeal wrote:

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links would have been nice.  i will find he posts of those i responded prior to that, and then we can ponder the whole farce.

btw, i meant the so-called STRIKE threads/  but i'm okay-dokey with what you got/

you can start by telling what rule i viollated with this

You are "hassling his ass" by posting it.  The two strike threads are
http://www.macaddict.com/forums/topic/72787
http://www.macaddict.com/forums/topic/72884

oh really?

read the thread title, his post, and tell what the claim is?  what is it about?


its about whenter the event is more of the same, *sigh*  its just anotuher photo op.

i'd disagree.  seeing as to how its an opinion, i fail to see how disagreement will not just be a hassle.

though, i am now going to find out, unless you know what the "issue" is in that patheitc excuse for a thread that is not "photo-op, yes or no?".


and with his post count, its hard not to "harass" someone who POSTS JUST ABOUIT ANYTHING HE THINKS IS NEWS WORTHY.

i'd have to smurfing ignore a large chunk of threads to avoid "hassling his ass"?

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no,

you just buy into the claims without the evidence.  if you can show me, since these are specific examples

I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.

otherwise i do want them off my back, as you are just following their lead.

telling me i am the instigator is itslelf a claim, and if you really want me to change my behavior i would really need to know what i am doing wrong.

if i didnt care, i wouldnt ask.

feel free to PM the thread and the point of instigation.  i will wait breathlessly for it.

hell, you have my blessing to do it here in this thread, as people seem to love to talk about me, and you dont seem to be doing jack smurf to stop it.

i dare say i can defend myself publically if i must.  this is way past retarded now.

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bedstuy wrote:

yeah, post #51 in this very thread reeks of innocence

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MysticCow wrote:

But YOU need to act like a grown up too.  This is the part nobody seems to understand.  EVERYONE needs to act like grown ups

In this situation, we only need ONE person to modify his behavior. ONE. It all ends if ONE person acts civil and, dare I say it, mature.

Why can't you see that?

ShnickyShnack wrote:

MysticCow wrote:

But YOU need to act like a grown up too.  This is the part nobody seems to understand.  EVERYONE needs to act like grown ups

In this situation, we only need ONE person to modify his behavior. ONE. It all ends if ONE person acts civil and, dare I say it, mature.

Why can't you see that?

In this situation, we need EVERYONE INVOLVED to modify their behavior.  EVERYONE INVOLVED.  It all ends when EVERYONE INVOLVED acts civil and mature.  Stop trying to make yourself look springtime fresh and accept that you violated DbaJ along with everyone else involved in this debacle.

I'm through discussing this thing.  Next MiniThink issue, please?

and this has been civil is well.  and yet you have been the one rather busy posting in here.

go figure, eh?

btw, is my name "mole?," mr exemplar of good behavior of the century?

Roo certainly put a lot of effort into that post.

Phydeaux wrote:

Define... "effort".

Let's see here ... holding you down and smacking the bejesus out of you despite your endless squirming?

Personally, I preferred about 25 consecutive 'zombie' graphics...
but that's just me.

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ShnickyShnack wrote:

This is getting ridiculous.

clearly, it's all mystic cow's fault.

Yay!  It's my fault! 

and its been rediculous since you started waging your little assasination campaign.  it was so obvious, its why i was willing to go public with it.

in this thread.

But I thought it was all MY fault. 

and yet its still a lot of hot gas from you, the victim.  please, your behaviour is just emberassing now.  just stop it.

however, i do wish to thank you for always being my best defense.

Garsh, I have to do damage control (after I said I'm done with this and this poster is temp banned right now.  grrr).  I said that the blame needs to be shared because everyone attacked everyone else in this matter.  It has nothing to do with defending you or anyone else.  The way I saw it (and the other three can thank whatever they call God that I had no voice in mod discussions), everyone needed some form of punishment because completely unacceptable behavior came from everyone involved in this mess. 

Now everyone came in here to point fingers at the others while trying to make themselves look "Springtime Fresh" by talking about how horrible the other side was in this attack.  Of course, I don't know what everyone else involved in this got from the Mods, and I hope Oatie can elaborate on this subject.  He doesn't have to tell us anything though, as is his right, but I hope he does.  After all, it's times like this that people will start throwing around words like "favoritism" and "hypocrisy."