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#1 2005-05-17 10:33 pm

Kosh
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Pointless goals

Since dvpierce is feeling lonely, I might as well make a quasi-random post so he doesn't have to self-moderate. big_smile

I see that I'm now in 89th place in Team MacAddict for "Classic" sah up

Since I can't run BOINC on my Macs (recent versions don't support 10.2.8), I'm chugging along as fast as I can on "classic".  I'm currently at 99.388%; I'm vaguely hoping to reach 99.400% before the end, but since they're supposedly pulling the plug Any Day Now, that doesn't seem likely. sad


Random thought for our fearless moderator:  Perhaps this forum should be renamed the BOINC forum?  I think it can handle the increase in volume. smile


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#2 2005-05-18 9:35 pm

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Re: Pointless goals

Not my call. If you're running SETI@Home on BOINC, this is, of course, the place to discuss it. F@H has its own room, and Macaddict doesn't have any other "official" distributed computing teams.

p.s. - self-moderate? sounds dirty.

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#3 2005-05-24 9:54 am

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Re: Pointless goals

I just noticed the other day that I (greenfleas) was #3 for the team BOINC-wise. Must be nobody else is runninc the BOINC client.

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#4 2005-05-25 11:50 am

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Re: Pointless goals

Huh. Must be. I'm not. I'm still using the Win32 CLI. 10/day on my Athlon, baby!


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#5 2005-05-28 2:45 am

Kosh
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Re: Pointless goals

dvpierce wrote:

Not my call. If you're running SETI@Home on BOINC, this is, of course, the place to discuss it. F@H has its own room, and Macaddict doesn't have any other "official" distributed computing teams.

So, what's it take to be "official"?  I'm part of Team MacAddict for Einstein@Home, as well.  Better yet, this is all on my NT laptop big_smile

dvpierce wrote:

p.s. - self-moderate? sounds dirty.

Then my mission is complete. tongue


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#6 2005-05-28 1:55 pm

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Re: Pointless goals

Kosh wrote:

So, what's it take to be "official"?  I'm part of Team MacAddict for Einstein@Home, as well.  Better yet, this is all on my NT laptop big_smile

Well, the Team MA seti site is hosted by MA, and the F@H team at least has a forums here. I'd never heard of Einstein @ Home before, but I'm assuming it's a BOINC project?

Name changes have to go through people other than me.


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#7 2005-06-01 7:02 pm

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Re: Pointless goals

Kosh wrote:

...but since they're supposedly pulling the plug Any Day Now

This is news to me. Is this official? I thought we have always been running the seti client with the "end is near" hangin over our head. Has there been some recent activity or news I've missed out of berkeley?


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#8 2005-06-02 10:17 am

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Re: Pointless goals

Modingo,

Nothing's official for Classic, and I understand that is what is making people a little upset. It's still in the "you'll know we're done when we go offline" phase, although they did make the web address switch yesterday. I think that some people believe a user switch abandons the original classic project, when in fact a user swtich to BOINC instead prolongs their participation in a noble effort.

BOINC has it's own quirks, but the fact that multiple projects can be run in any combination of resources makes it easy to participate in multiple projects and get a feel for what fits best for your unique situation.

Cheers.


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#9 2005-06-02 1:04 pm

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Re: Pointless goals

Forthe record, I don't have a problem allowing BOINC topics in here, even if you're not just (on not even) running SETI@Home.

But given how busy the Folding@Home forums is, that may be a moot point.


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#10 2005-06-13 2:10 pm

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Re: Pointless goals

Considering that eventually the classic seti will be gone and stats will be irrelevant (because its all going boinc).
I stoped using the classic seti over a year ago,...and havent regretted it since.
Up till recently you could run classic till they converted and still have some wu working for you.

Nowadays, at least with seti (not other boinc/seti efforts) if you aint boinc your wasting your time.

Besides if it cocerns seti (boinc or classic) this is the right place ... sincce seti@home future is boinc.

Me, I looked at other boinc'able efforts I wanted to be in....none really appealed to me yet.

But I have multiple pc's and soon will have all of them doing seti..

Wanted to have my mac on boinc too...but im a 6400/180 running os9.2.2, and if I cant boinc on it, it wont get done.
Im not going to seti/boinc just for the fun of it, if the wu's are not going to get captured..

As i understood, at some point, continued use of the classic will be pointless waste of time eventually.
when that happens, I had assumed it already did recently.   But that just means that one should go boinc all the more.

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#11 2005-07-17 12:28 am

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Re: Pointless goals

Well, I'll just touch on a few of the high points.

Yes, "classic" seti@Home will be shut off "soon", and since they've now shut off new account creation, it's likely to be a matter of weeks instead of months.  So, it certainly makes sense for someone new to start with BOINC.  Calling the stats "irrelevant" is a matter of debate, though.  The "classic" stats are brought over to everyone's BOINC sah account (and will be refreshed with the final count after they finally pull the plug).  I certainly don't consider it irrelevant that I (as of right now) have completed 8241 WUs, and have completed more work than 99.395% of classic users, mostly with just my dual 1GHz G4.  True, it doesn't really "mean" anything, but it's nice to know how much work I've done for the project. smile


Tulsaboyw wrote:

Wanted to have my mac on boinc too...but im a 6400/180 running os9.2.2, and if I cant boinc on it, it wont get done.
Im not going to seti/boinc just for the fun of it, if the wu's are not going to get captured..

That's actually why I'm not running BOINC on either of my normally running Macs.  They're newer than yours, but one is running 9.0.4 (which BOINC has never supported), and the dual is running 10.2.8, where BOINC / all projects I've tried now require 10.3 minimum sad

You may have been misinformed, but they are still producing & sending out WUs, and processing the returned results in Classic, until thee actually completely pull the plug, so you aren't "wasting your time" on science that's being thrown away.  In short, yes, they're being captured.

Anyway, by all means, join BOINC if you can, but when they shut off Classic, none of my Macs will be doing anything for sah, which is kind of sad.  If I ever decide to upgrade my main Mac to 10.3 and / or buy a G5 while I can, I'll have Macs contributing again.  Until then, my only contribution to BOINC Team MacAddict will be from my NT laptop (which is kind of amusing, in it's own way).


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#12 2005-07-18 10:21 am

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Re: Pointless goals

You know Kosh, Panther is a pretty good upgrade to Jag. IMO, at least, the Finder works a lot better. (Not to say that Jag wasn't good, though - it was)

All my WUs are crunched by Windows machines.


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#13 2005-10-01 11:26 pm

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Re: Pointless goals

Yea, since 10.4 came out, I've done a test upgrade to 10.3 on a second drive on my main machine so I can play with it a little more when I'm rebooting anyway, but I really don't like the metal Finder windows with the annoying sidebar (mot to mention the weird highlighting / outlining of icons).  Sometime, I should get motivated enough to go looking for display hacks to "fix" some of that, but since the programs I want to run work in 10.2, I'm not currently very motivated to upgrade shrug  I suppose I may upgrade "permanently" sometime & just get used to the new Finder, and I do realize that 10.3 has under-the-hood enhancements, including faster graphics processing (in 10.2.8, my main (larger) screen takes noticeably longer to come back than my second screen, while in 10.3, they both come back at the same time)..

This is falling even further off-topic, but since I'm thinking about it, my 9.0.4 machine isn't running 9.2 because the updaters refused to run (something about not supporting upgrades with Language Packs installed).

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#14 2005-10-02 2:30 am

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Re: Pointless goals

I got used to the new finder interface quick enough.

Besides, if you're leaving your S@H machines running unattended, you don't have to use it. XPostFacto is cool.


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#15 2005-10-14 10:26 pm

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Re: Pointless goals

Yay, I made 99.400% <happy dance> up

Name (and URL)     Kosh 
Results Received     9786
Total CPU Time     9.123 years
Average CPU Time per work unit     8 hr 10 min -0.0 sec
Average results received per day     8.56
Last result returned:    Tue Oct 11 02:10:03 2005 UTC
Registered on:    Sat Aug 24 05:23:07 2002 UTC

SETI@home user for:    3.134 years

Your group info:
You belong to the group named:     Team MacAddict
You are not currently the founder of any teams.
    
Your rank: (based on current workunits received)
Your rank out of 5436301 total users is:     32619th place.
The number of users who have this rank:     3
You have completed more work units than     99.400% of our users.

It would be nice if I could reach 10000 WUs before The End™, but that doesn't seem likely sad


dvpierce wrote:

Besides, if you're leaving your S@H machines running unattended, you don't have to use it. XPostFacto is cool.

Well, I'm using my main machine daily, so I'd have to get used to seeing those annoying metal Finder windows hmm

I'm down to one thing I still use on my 9.0.4 machine (other than sah classic), but if I could get it upgraded to 9.2, then I could then install 10.3 on it and just boot into OS 9 as needed.  That one I wouldn't need to look at most of the time, if I could do that. (my main machine's second display is also my second machine's display through a switch).


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#16 2005-10-15 11:14 am

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Re: Pointless goals

If you have 9.,0.4, 9.2 is free. shrug


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#17 2005-10-20 11:50 pm

Kosh
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Re: Pointless goals

dvpierce wrote:

If you have 9.,0.4, 9.2 is free. shrug

Yep, and I painfully downloaded the 9.1 & 9.2 updaters (over dial-up), but when I tried to run them, I got some kind of error about not being able to install because of installed Language Packs confused  I haven't spent a lot of time trying to research ways around the issue, but one of these days I'll get motivated enough shrug


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#18 2005-10-21 10:43 pm

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Re: Pointless goals

Kosh wrote:

dvpierce wrote:

If you have 9.,0.4, 9.2 is free. shrug

Yep, and I painfully downloaded the 9.1 & 9.2 updaters (over dial-up), but when I tried to run them, I got some kind of error about not being able to install because of installed Language Packs confused  I haven't spent a lot of time trying to research ways around the issue, but one of these days I'll get motivated enough shrug

eek

If you ever need anything big like that downloaded, email me and I'll burn you a CD. Seriously. Just no illegal stuff.


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#19 2005-11-13 2:00 am

Kosh
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Re: Pointless goals

Thanks, I'll try to remember that smile  The biggest things I seem to download (other than movie trailers & such) are Apple updates, which seem to have gotten a lot bigger recently sad  I downloaded the 10.3.9 combo updater at 113.4 meg (!), and most of the things that Software Update reports under 10.3 are nearly as huge.  Actually, now that there's an Apple store an hour away from me, I wonder if they'd let me burn updates if I brought in a CD-R?

One of these days (years), I should move to someplace I can get high-speed Internet, but since I hate moving, it probably won't happen until I buy a house.

Anyway, to steer this somewhat back on topic, I decided, on my 9.0.4 machine, to clean up some space on a second hard drive, and do a clean install of 10.3 there (and yes, installed the combo update).  The good news is, it works (although obviously slower than my main machine).  Since it's a clean install, though, I've got quite a bit of work to do trying to remember all of the customizations I've done over the years on my main machine, in order to replicate them.  As expected, I can't use 9.0.4 as Classic, but since it's on a separate drive, I can boot into it when I need to.

I found and installed a PPC 7400-optimized BOINC / SETI Worker, and it's running reasonably well (considering the processor speed), and have set up Cron to keep it running.  Boy, I really dislike how you can't set BOINC preferences at the machine, so I had to call it a "work" machine to get settings more reasonable to it, while keeping the settings on the NT laptop reasonable to it. mad

Anyway, to get even further on-topic, unless they pull the plug on "classic" sah within the next few days, I'll be passing 10,000 WUs in a couple of days big_smile  I'm at 9987 as of when I write this.

I'm not ready to upgrade my main machine to 10.3, but now that I've got a 10.3 machine running most of the time, I can tinker with it more, and find all the "gotchas" that I'd want to fix.  Who knows, I might even eventually get used to the metal Finder windows with their huge frames smile  It gives me more chance to play with Exposé and Fast User Switching, anyway.


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#20 2005-11-13 4:38 pm

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Re: Pointless goals

Cool. up


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