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Ice Cream Man wrote:

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Also, it is becoming more common that docs/manuals don't come with retail software in the first place.  Macromedia is a prime example.  They all come with digital versions, but if you wanted it a printed manual, it costs extra.

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Scott wrote:

Ice Cream Man wrote:

And what are the big differences between Photo shop elements, and Photoshop CS hmmmmm? Most of the same filters are there, same image sizing, same formats, same export, same image merge. Why does the full version cost over $1000+ now.  That?s BS.

Are you kidding?  They are not even close to the same applications.  PS is not about filters.  That is like saying a 1979 Datsun and a 2005 Viper are the same because they both have tires.  Photoshop is a professional tool well worth every dime of the price.  Elements is a nifty little tool that does a few common tasks that the general computer user may want.

err,

Sounds like you havent really taken a close look at Elements 3.
PSE3 is a pretty comprehensive sub-set of full PS functions and can do some things that Phtoshop cannot.
From the way it works and the contents of PSE's various folders I would be surprised if it did not share the same codebase as Photoshop, just tweaked and limited for the consumer. Since Photoshop has been very modular for years starting from scratch for Elements would make no sense at all.
I am not saying this to justify pirateing, but from your comments on PSE it sounds like you havent looked at the program since it was Photo Delux.

after-life wrote:

This thread is like 2 years old. PSE3 wasn't out then.

OK Mr correctness.....go back and check when the post I was replying to was made.

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Pariah wrote:

Scott wrote:

Ice Cream Man wrote:

And what are the big differences between Photo shop elements, and Photoshop CS hmmmmm? Most of the same filters are there, same image sizing, same formats, same export, same image merge. Why does the full version cost over $1000+ now.  That?s BS.

Are you kidding?  They are not even close to the same applications.  PS is not about filters.  That is like saying a 1979 Datsun and a 2005 Viper are the same because they both have tires.  Photoshop is a professional tool well worth every dime of the price.  Elements is a nifty little tool that does a few common tasks that the general computer user may want.

err,

Sounds like you havent really taken a close look at Elements 3.
PSE3 is a pretty comprehensive sub-set of full PS functions and can do some things that Phtoshop cannot.
From the way it works and the contents of PSE's various folders I would be surprised if it did not share the same codebase as Photoshop, just tweaked and limited for the consumer. Since Photoshop has been very modular for years starting from scratch for Elements would make no sense at all.
I am not saying this to justify pirateing, but from your comments on PSE it sounds like you havent looked at the program since it was Photo Delux.

Nope, I am very familiar with current versions of both apps.  PSE is a consumer level tool with limited functionality (but enough for most users)  There are many things missing that more than justify the cost of PS for professional users. (ps deluxe was a minimal image manip tool that mostly shipped with scanners)

PSE does not do anything that PS cannot.  What it does have some features that are simplified and stuck together in a way that gives the illusion that it is a new feature, but those same things can be done using the tools that are missing from PSE in PS.

PS is about high power, high control, fine grain tools and plenty of options.   PSE is wizard driven and stripped down functionality (from the perspective of the professional.)

Of course they share they share much of the same code.  That is pretty obvious.  But as I said before their targets are different.

Pariah wrote:

PSE can't do anything PS can? OK smarty-pants; tell me how you make a cross platform PDF based slideshow in PS.

Well in the first place, I wouldn't.  That is kind of a silly thing. 
I was talking straight image editing tools.  Slide shows do not fall in that category.  If you are talking about those types of things then PSE falls further behind.

Pariah wrote:

Clearly you never got past the "Gaahhh, Wizards!!" Initial impression.

That is the second time you have made false assumptions.  I know the app intimately, as I have every version of it since it's inception.  The same goes for Photoshop.  As I understand the differences and similarities between the two. As well as the feature sets.

I am not sayin that PSE sucks or anything.  But is an inferior image editor to PS.  No two ways about it.  And many of missing things are huge.  Channels for one.  Curves I actually do you otfen in color correction.  I don't like ImageReady, but for some who use PS as their primary webdev image app that is a biggy.   Paths and masks are pretty biggies as well.

Defend PSE all you want.  It is a fine tool for the market it fits.  The interface and usability is great fit for its market. I am not disagreeing with at all so there is no need to take an adversarial or defensive stance on it.  But the original comment I respond to ignorantly stated that the price difference was BS because they have the same filters and sizing capabilities.  Which is wrong.  I have done print production for well over decade as well and used PS before it was PS.  And PSE simply won't cut it as a professional image editing tool.  But is very, very inaccessible for the average user.

PSE is a very different interface and level of usability.  And a very smart move building on LE and deluxe.  There were many other "consumer" tools coming from other companies to fill that gap. PSE build on the Adobe reputation/name, yet is accessible.  Lets face it, Adobe has become synonymous with image editing.  PSE was natural and smart move.

But PSE is not a professional tool.  The price of PS is very justified.  There is no other tool (PSE or otherwise) that has image editing/manipulation tools that even come close.  (image creation... that is a different discussion).

In short, PSE is great at what it does, and worth the price.  PS is great at what it does, and worth the price.

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