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Cyberpawz wrote:

bratboy wrote:

I have yet to see ANYONE bitch about use of the term "Merry Christmas."  All I see is a lot of bitching by people claiming that 'someone' is trying to keep them from doing so.

Work for Apple, Office Max, KMart, Sears, or any other main chain, they are not allowed to say Merry Christmas, it is either Happy Holidays or nothing.

Maybe you should pursue a different line of work.

Agreed Fred.

And does anyone else notice the irony of Christians being mad at department stores for not properly acknowledging the birth of Christ?

Because, ya know, Jesus would -totally- be down with celebrating a holy day by buying tons of smurf at Walmart.

KingFred wrote:

Robert B. wrote:

Cyberpawz wrote:

Work for Apple, Office Max, KMart, Sears, or any other main chain, they are not allowed to say Merry Christmas, it is either Happy Holidays or nothing.

Maybe you should pursue a different line of work.

I still call absolute bull crap on that. Show me ANYONE who's ever been fired for saying "Merry Christmas" at a big chain and I'll show you endless reams of newspaper and 24-hour news stories and legal action by the fired party and unending moaning and screaming by the righty religious pundits for weeks on end. You would be completely familiar with the fired party's name and the chain that fired them, the circumstances of the issue and more detail than you could shake a remote control at. And quite likely that horrid terrist-lovin', anti-American, Bush-hatin' ACLU would have jumped in pretty fast, too. However, there is no such person or event that YOU WOULD UNDENIABLY HAVE HEARD ABOUT AD NAUSEUM.

It is quite possible that pawz is on crack and is simply seeing the boogeymen he wants/needs to see.

Phydeaux wrote:

I think that Jesus is pissed that Christmas exists at all.

The closest He asked for was to be remembered in His death, and that would be what's branded as Easter, but it's still wrong, wrong, wrong.

The holiday for the Christians is selfish indulgence. I'm eagerly awaiting a paganistic backlash against us and hope it wakes some of "my people" up before it's too late.

You don't think that Christmas as it's presently constituted is already a paganistic backlash?

Not until I see a significant amount of people turning around and saying "Hey man, get your Jesus out of our Saturnalia/Solstice/smurfing Cold Day/Whatever." They're out there. I just want to see it happen.

My "sermon" on Christmas Origins was cancelled tonight. When I gave someone my notes for things to put on the slides, they called a couple of CCAG guys to the center who immediately came in and launched into preachin' pushing my talk out of the way.

I'm none too pleased. I left early.

In the spirit of Christmas I would like to note that I think Phydeaux is probly the best "Christian" I see around these parts.
Or at least the one most accurately trying to be that way.
The Jesus I learned about in my readings would have been hanging with the troubled and hard cases.
And getting in trouble for it.

jerwin wrote:

Phydeaux wrote:

Not until I see a significant amount of people turning around and saying "Hey man, get your Jesus out of our Saturnalia/Solstice/smurfing Cold Day/Whatever." They're out there. I just want to see it happen.

My "sermon" on Christmas Origins was cancelled tonight. When I gave someone my notes for things to put on the slides, they called a couple of CCAG guys to the center who immediately came in and launched into preachin' pushing my talk out of the way.

I'm none too pleased. I left early.

mmm. Here's a Jack Chick style tract on the origins of Saturnalia Not really safe for work, and it...

Oh hell, just read the warning label on the front page. Besides, only an elite few work on Christmas.

Wow. If that comic is accurate, I think Christmas is 1000x better than Saturnia (or Solstice Festival or whatever). Creepy...

jerwin wrote:

Phydeaux wrote:

Not until I see a significant amount of people turning around and saying "Hey man, get your Jesus out of our Saturnalia/Solstice/smurfing Cold Day/Whatever." They're out there. I just want to see it happen.

My "sermon" on Christmas Origins was cancelled tonight. When I gave someone my notes for things to put on the slides, they called a couple of CCAG guys to the center who immediately came in and launched into preachin' pushing my talk out of the way.

I'm none too pleased. I left early.

mmm. Here's a Jack Chick style tract on the origins of Saturnalia Not really safe for work, and it...

Oh hell, just read the warning label on the front page. Besides, only an elite few work on Christmas.

Even though the negative vibes on "the other side of the fence" are really out there (smurfing in front of the kids?!), it still paints a reasonable "who's the monster?" picture of both sides. Maybe there's something wrong with phallic symbolism and blasting it to your neighbor because you feel it's your right. Or maybe there's something wrong with protesting that very penis-shaped shortbread cookie instead of just kicking back and respecting people's rights.

If anything, this so-called "War on Christmas" and definite "Reaction to The War On Christmas" has set back any sort of decent relations of people whose leaders put them at odds with each other, a good 20 years or so. It's sick to for people to be used by pawns like that. By the media. By the churches. By political leaders. By each other.

Maybe it's because I'm in sales, and as a result I've grown more and more cynical to this sort of thing (I won't even get into the bullsmurf I've had to deal with today on the floor), but I'm just glad that as of tomorrow, which I plan on sleeping right through and not leaving the house, I don't have to hear anything about Christmas again for another few months.

Pariah wrote:

In the spirit of Christmas I would like to note that I think Phydeaux is probly the best "Christian" I see around these parts.
Or at least the one most accurately trying to be that way.
The Jesus I learned about in my readings would have been hanging with the troubled and hard cases.
And getting in trouble for it.

That certainly means something coming from you. Thanks.

While I'm by no means a model... anything... I mean... I've been a cheat, a trespasser, a liar, a scam, a whoremonger, a pervert, a psychopath, a sexist, a racist, a backbiter... I've been a coward, a traitor and a wimp, and maybe a few of those things still linger. It's not that I don't want to be "the best 'Christian'," since I already know that I simply cannot. I just want to live according to... well, you know the rest.

All I want is for there to be no more "me's" created in the world. I want them to leave out of there knowing what they want to accomplish, equipped to do it, and with the knowledge to protect themselves from going down side streets to become those things that I have/have had been.

But if we lie to them about things like Marijuana use, why would they  bother listening that stuff like meth will cause brain shrinkage as much as up to, what, 5% within a year's use?

Same goes for Christmas. Lying about things to push agendas. Horrific twisting of the very Scripture they say they're teaching from. If they lie about this to them, when will they believe the really important stuff?

bratboy wrote:

Pariah wrote:

In the spirit of Christmas I would like to note that I think Phydeaux is probly the best "Christian" I see around these parts.
Or at least the one most accurately trying to be that way.
The Jesus I learned about in my readings would have been hanging with the troubled and hard cases.
And getting in trouble for it.

Okay fine . . . I nominate StaticAge, then.

Now they shall battle to the death!

[thunder dome]TWO MEN ENTER -- ONE MAN LEAVES! TWO MEN ENTER -- ONE MAN LEAVES![/thunder dome]

No, see, what would end up happening would be that it would turn into a selfless martyr-off, a total cheek turning event where no slaps are actually thrown.

I'll snap before you will.