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#276 2006-04-10 7:37 am

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Re: Windows on a Mac for Real (Boot Camp)

Alien wrote:

Mr. T wrote:

The Mac gaming market has been a joke for years, but it has managed to survive.  How?  Apparently, there's enough people willing to play games in OS X, and that's not going to change with this announcement.

Or maybe it is. Since there may just be a bunch of people out there that chose a mac for reasons other than gaming and accept the mediocre offering of top games for the Mac. They no longer have to: they can play the Windows versions of those games. That's lost sales for Mac games developers.

Are you saying you wouldn't rather play games on the Mac if you had the option, because I sure as hell would.  As long as there are people who would prefer to play games in OS X, there's a market.  Boot Camp will certainly raise Apple's market share, but more importantly (for game devs, at leat), it will raise the number of Macs capable of playing Mac games, considerably.  Even if I have to wait for the Mac version, all that's needed to stop me from buying the PC version is a simple promise from the developer.  I think that's enough for most people.


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#277 2006-04-10 7:55 am

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Re: Windows on a Mac for Real (Boot Camp)

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reece_james wrote:

If I really want games, i'd get a console....

1. There is lots of game that play a lot better with a computer then console,

if you continue with your logic,

should you get a word processor instead of computer if you want to type document?
should you get a dvd/hdtv instead of using your computer if you want to pop in a dvd movie or 2 once in awhile to relax?
Should you get a hifi system instead of using your computer if you want to listen to some music while you work?
Should you get a internet phone iinstead of skype-headset if you want to use voip?
Should you get a (name your dedicated Macnhine) instead of using your computer?

Reeece_james, let me save you some time, the answer to all of the above is yes, if you have unlimited budget and would like to, but with computer as of today, the beauty is you don't have to.

Reece_james, what is the magic of computer? is it because of the Apple logo or because it can be many thing depend on what program you are using? a "muti function machine"

The answer might be yes to any of the questions above. Sometimes it is worth it to get a tool specifically for a certain task, simply because that task is important, and the specific tool is better than a generic one. If you do wordprocessing all day, maybe a word processing machine (do those still exist, anyway?) is a better option than a computer with a word processor application. If you want to watch movies all day, a DVD player with HDTV is definitely a better option than a computer. If you really value high quality music reproduction, a good stereo system is a better option than a computer and a set of stereo speakers. Unless you don't mind sitting in your office just to use the phone, an internet phone is a better option than a headset.

Your examples make no sense, since you jump from someone who suggested a console rather than a PC specifically for gaming to using dedicated devices for occasional use.

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#278 2006-04-10 8:31 am

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Re: Windows on a Mac for Real (Boot Camp)

Look at AIO printers - do any of them do [i]everything well[i/].


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#279 2006-04-10 8:32 am

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Re: Windows on a Mac for Real (Boot Camp)

Mr. T wrote:

MacBoy4139 wrote:

As for using OEM software.

AppleInsider.com from the Wall Street Journal wrote:

The report also notes that Apple's Boot Camp requires a new copy of Windows XP, which is available for suggested retail prices of $199 and $299, depending upon the edition "It won't work to use less-costly upgrade versions or software installation disks for PCs that users already have."

An  "upgrade version" is a version that will upgrade you from Windows 98 to XP.  "Installation disks for PCs that users already have" simply means that you can't install the same copy of XP on more than one machine at a time (without getting a new activation key), even if the second machine happens to be an iMac with Boot Camp.  This has nothing to do with OEM versions, which should work just fine.

The installer does not allow you to insert the Win98 or whatever version of Windows disc.  The solution that people have found is to attach an external drive, and put the Win98 disc in there - then it works.

But it won't work out of the box.


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#280 2006-04-10 10:19 am

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Re: Windows on a Mac for Real (Boot Camp)

Thats my argument. I hate multifunctional devices. You buy a DVD player and a VCR not combined. Multifunctional printers are stupid, same with TV fridges. The list goes on. (The only exception is the Kenwood Chef which is brilliant in the kitchen)

pcguy, with statements such as "should you get a word processor instead of computer if you want to type document?" it is no wonder you cause such a ruckus on the forums...

Also some of your arguments support my statement. "should you get a dvd/hdtv instead of using your computer if you want to pop in a dvd movie or 2 once in awhile to relax?" My using your logic, the argument could be applied such that 'should you use your computer instead of using console if you want to play a game once in awhile to relax' I say yes. However, "if I really want games, I'd get a console...."


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#281 2006-04-10 3:23 pm

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Re: Windows on a Mac for Real (Boot Camp)

MacBoy4139 wrote:

Mr. T wrote:

MacBoy4139 wrote:

As for using OEM software.


An  "upgrade version" is a version that will upgrade you from Windows 98 to XP.  "Installation disks for PCs that users already have" simply means that you can't install the same copy of XP on more than one machine at a time (without getting a new activation key), even if the second machine happens to be an iMac with Boot Camp.  This has nothing to do with OEM versions, which should work just fine.

The installer does not allow you to insert the Win98 or whatever version of Windows disc.  The solution that people have found is to attach an external drive, and put the Win98 disc in there - then it works.

But it won't work out of the box.

What I'm saying is that an "upgrade version" is not the same thing as an OEM version.  Your quote says nothing about OEM versions, which should work out of the box.


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#282 2006-04-10 3:33 pm

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Re: Windows on a Mac for Real (Boot Camp)

Mr. T wrote:

MacBoy4139 wrote:

Mr. T wrote:


An  "upgrade version" is a version that will upgrade you from Windows 98 to XP.  "Installation disks for PCs that users already have" simply means that you can't install the same copy of XP on more than one machine at a time (without getting a new activation key), even if the second machine happens to be an iMac with Boot Camp.  This has nothing to do with OEM versions, which should work just fine.

The installer does not allow you to insert the Win98 or whatever version of Windows disc.  The solution that people have found is to attach an external drive, and put the Win98 disc in there - then it works.

But it won't work out of the box.

What I'm saying is that an "upgrade version" is not the same thing as an OEM version.  Your quote says nothing about OEM versions, which should work out of the box.

I fully understand that.  If you didn't cut my quote off, it does say that "OEM versions will not work."

I never said there was technical reason for this, as obviously, there isn't.


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#283 2006-04-11 12:12 am

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Re: Windows on a Mac for Real (Boot Camp)

MacBoy4139 wrote:

As for using OEM software.

AppleInsider.com from the Wall Street Journal wrote:

The report also notes that Apple's Boot Camp requires a new copy of Windows XP, which is available for suggested retail prices of $199 and $299, depending upon the edition "It won't work to use less-costly upgrade versions or software installation disks for PCs that users already have."

I didn't mean to cut your quote off blush, and I mean no disrespect. hmm But at the time I made posted my first response, it seemed like a few people were assuming OEM software would not work, based on soley on this quote which makes no mention of OEM.

EDIT: Wait a sec, are you equating "software installation disks for PCs that users already have" to OEM?  I take it to mean that if you have XP on one machine, you won't be able to install the same copy on your Mac unless you remove it from your PC and contact M$ for the activation.  But I suppose it could mean either. smile

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#284 2006-04-11 8:10 am

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Re: Windows on a Mac for Real (Boot Camp)

Mr. T wrote:

MacBoy4139 wrote:

As for using OEM software.

AppleInsider.com from the Wall Street Journal wrote:

The report also notes that Apple's Boot Camp requires a new copy of Windows XP, which is available for suggested retail prices of $199 and $299, depending upon the edition "It won't work to use less-costly upgrade versions or software installation disks for PCs that users already have."

I didn't mean to cut your quote off blush, and I mean no disrespect. hmm But at the time I made posted my first response, it seemed like a few people were assuming OEM software would not work, based on soley on this quote which makes no mention of OEM.

EDIT: Wait a sec, are you equating "software installation disks for PCs that users already have" to OEM?  I take it to mean that if you have XP on one machine, you won't be able to install the same copy on your Mac unless you remove it from your PC and contact M$ for the activation.  But I suppose it could mean either. smile

It all depends on the version and the EULA that comes with it.  If a PC comes with a copy of WinXP, and nothing in the EULA says that it must remain on that PC and is only valid for that PC, by all means - uninstall and install it on any other machine.


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