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#1 2006-06-19 7:42 pm
"Crude Awakening"-Big Oil is Shortchanging the Taxpayers
Crude Awakening
From PBS NOW, this show aired last Friday, June 16. Video requires Realplayer. Otherwise, the script is on the page. Of particular interest is the interview with David Sirota at the end of the report segment.
RaThink you will find this report an interesting reply to your argument concerning the oil companies' controversy.
Another show that gives insight into why the US hasn't made more progress in the 'greening' of automobiles is "Who Killed the Electric Car" that aired on PBS June 9. link
Both these programs are less than 30 min and carry only front-end commercials.
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#2 2006-06-20 8:47 am
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Re: "Crude Awakening"-Big Oil is Shortchanging the Taxpayers
If we raise royalties on oil extraction, expect higher prices at the pump. Your call.
PBS wrote:
The car required no fuel and could be plugged in for recharging at home and at a number of so-called battery parks.
Honest question, for anyone who knows the answer: Do electric cars actually reduce pollution or save energy, overall? The electricity for the batteries has to be generated somewhere (just not in the car's engine).
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#3 2006-06-20 10:10 am
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Re: "Crude Awakening"-Big Oil is Shortchanging the Taxpayers
charon wrote:
If we raise royalties on oil extraction, expect higher prices at the pump. Your call.
PBS wrote:
The car required no fuel and could be plugged in for recharging at home and at a number of so-called battery parks.
Honest question, for anyone who knows the answer: Do electric cars actually reduce pollution or save energy, overall? The electricity for the batteries has to be generated somewhere (just not in the car's engine).
Large scale electricity production is more efficient and pollutes less than having millions of small gas moters running around.
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#4 2006-06-20 10:14 am
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Re: "Crude Awakening"-Big Oil is Shortchanging the Taxpayers
the Economist wrote:
...studies by California's Air Resources Board confirm that generating the electricity to power cars in pure-electric mode produces only about half of the greenhouse gases of typical petrol vehicles. This assumes the power grid is half coal-fired, as America's is today. As the grid “decarbonises” over time, such emissions will fall.
Jesus said to the servants, "Fill the jars with water"; so they filled them to the brim. Then he told them, "Now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet." They did so, and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew.
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#5 2006-06-20 6:43 pm
Re: "Crude Awakening"-Big Oil is Shortchanging the Taxpayers
charon wrote:
If we raise royalties on oil extraction, expect higher prices at the pump. Your call.
PBS wrote:
The car required no fuel and could be plugged in for recharging at home and at a number of so-called battery parks.
Honest question, for anyone who knows the answer: Do electric cars actually reduce pollution or save energy, overall? The electricity for the batteries has to be generated somewhere (just not in the car's engine).
Higher prices at the pump? Not necessarily. Do you have stats to prove your point? If not, then your speculation is just that -- speculation.
On a recent PBS Road Trekker program, in Portland, Ore. the city provides free parking and free hook-ups for electric vehicles. A short interview with an owner revealed that his revamped combustion engine to electric fuel gave him 90 MPH speed and 50 miles before recharge.
Did you review the part on the electric car program that said the automobile and oil industry is composed of such an ingrained superstructure that going to electric will greatly damage and threaten that superstructure, hence the preferred 'shift' to hydrogen and gasoline blend which uses the same combustion engine configuration. It is this after market that makes the most money.
And, yes, to your question re electric does reduce pollution -- at least insofar as compared to combustion engines is concerned.
Combustion engines are pure pollution, even with the catalytic converters (my brother in law (now retired) was a transmission engineer at Ford Motor Company. He invented most of the transmissions in Ford autos today -- including the chain-belt transmission on Volvos now in production today.) The added bonus to electric conversion is the greatly reduced 'noise' pollution that comes from combustion engines.
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#6 2006-06-20 6:51 pm
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Re: "Crude Awakening"-Big Oil is Shortchanging the Taxpayers
Sassy wrote:
charon wrote:
If we raise royalties on oil extraction, expect higher prices at the pump. Your call.
PBS wrote:
The car required no fuel and could be plugged in for recharging at home and at a number of so-called battery parks.
Honest question, for anyone who knows the answer: Do electric cars actually reduce pollution or save energy, overall? The electricity for the batteries has to be generated somewhere (just not in the car's engine).
Higher prices at the pump? Not necessarily. Do you have stats to prove your point? If not, then your speculation is just that -- speculation.
Higher cost of production being passed on to the consumer isn't really speculation, more like basic econ.
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