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#26 2006-07-15 6:35 am

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Re: Stealing from your employer

I unofficially worked at a bike shop over the summer holidays. They sold mostly Chinese import pocket bikes and ATV's.

A couple friends also worked there with me. One day my friends friends came by and took two small bikes worth about $300AU each, they rode them straight out the roller door, I didn't tell on them but I think now I definitely should have. Another one went into the bosses office and took a $50 note. He got caught but didn't get in trouble, don't know why, maybe the boss is slack.


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#27 2006-07-15 9:49 am

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Re: Stealing from your employer

I printed the entire OS X Server manual once.  And put it in a binder.  At the cost to the company of 2¢ per page, I owe them about $20.


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#28 2006-07-15 9:52 am

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Re: Stealing from your employer

so if you plug your personal laptop and personal cell phone and personal PDA in at work and let the batteries charge, then go home and drain the batteries with use, then bring them back to work the next day for a fill up, would anyone consider that stealing?

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#29 2006-07-15 10:01 am

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Re: Stealing from your employer

At the restaurant of a bank I used to work at would charge for condiments and require a deposit on silverware during the summer only, because people would otherwise stoch up on ketchup pouches and the like for their caravaning holidays. Some people have no shame at all, I guess.

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#30 2006-07-15 2:38 pm

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Re: Stealing from your employer

Theft is theft, big or small.  It is immoral, unethical, and it costs everyone else in the long run.

Anyone who steals small would steal large if given the opportunity.  They are a liability to the company and should be terminated if discovered.

I can see someone taking a complimentary item, such as that in Justine's example, if necessary, but to stock up is just wrong.


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#31 2006-07-15 2:44 pm

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Re: Stealing from your employer

macnuke wrote:

so if you plug your personal laptop and personal cell phone and personal PDA in at work and let the batteries charge, then go home and drain the batteries with use, then bring them back to work the next day for a fill up, would anyone consider that stealing?

That depends on two things:

1.  Are you using it for work purposes?

2.  Do you have permission?

In my case, both answers are yes.


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#32 2006-07-16 12:39 am

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Re: Stealing from your employer

macnuke wrote:

so if you plug your personal laptop and personal cell phone and personal PDA in at work and let the batteries charge, then go home and drain the batteries with use, then bring them back to work the next day for a fill up, would anyone consider that stealing?

one of my proffesors had a solar powered house, and winters in vt lack sun.  She used to charge her house battery at work.

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#33 2006-07-16 12:54 am

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Re: Stealing from your employer

Is this where I should discuss one employer who paid their nanny out of company funds, as well as enrolling her on our company health policy as an employee?  Probably pales in comparison to stolen pencils and tampons, but I digress.

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#34 2006-07-16 1:14 am

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Re: Stealing from your employer

TheConfuzed1 wrote:

Anyone who steals small would steal large if given the opportunity.  They are a liability to the company and should be terminated if discovered

Because I print out knitting directions at work once in a while, it means I would steal tapes or equipment as well?

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#35 2006-07-16 9:25 am

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Re: Stealing from your employer

bedstuy wrote:

Is this where I should discuss one employer who paid their nanny out of company funds, as well as enrolling her on our company health policy as an employee?  Probably pales in comparison to stolen pencils and tampons, but I digress.

I'd say insurance fraud is pretty high up there.

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#36 2006-07-16 9:49 am

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Re: Stealing from your employer

katiePOW wrote:

TheConfuzed1 wrote:

Anyone who steals small would steal large if given the opportunity.  They are a liability to the company and should be terminated if discovered

Because I print out knitting directions at work once in a while, it means I would steal tapes or equipment as well?

Apparently. That post was just stupid. Then again, I wouldn't expect a car salesman to believe that other people are mostly honest.


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#37 2006-07-16 11:12 am

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Re: Stealing from your employer

justine wrote:

bedstuy wrote:

Is this where I should discuss one employer who paid their nanny out of company funds, as well as enrolling her on our company health policy as an employee?  Probably pales in comparison to stolen pencils and tampons, but I digress.

I'd say insurance fraud is pretty high up there.

Oh... they'd also have employees do free design work on their various properties too... all tax free labor.  I could probably make a long list of abuses aside from the fact that they (married couple) were intrinsically evil.

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#38 2006-07-16 11:36 am

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Re: Stealing from your employer

The heat must be getting to everyone.

I've downloaded some personal stuff at work, but now that I have broadband at home, I don't need to. Previous to that, I did on occasion take my laptop to work for all kinds downloading: updates, software, etc. I'd walk into the office and announce to my boss; "I'm stealing some of your bandwidth today".

Lots of people here probably post at MAF and do other 'unauthorized' web surfing at work without their bosses knowing about it. A little bit of petty larceny is expected at work: paper clips, rubber bands, and my own little sin; the odd postage stamp. It's when the occasional paper clip or photo copy turns into a box of paper clips and a ream of paper is where I would draw the line. Not a firing offense, but a warning would be in order. If it is allowed to go on, it escalates until people are backing their cars up to loading bays, or funnelling funds into personal accounts, a la Office Space.

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#39 2006-07-16 8:53 pm

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Re: Stealing from your employer

macnuke wrote:

so if you plug your personal laptop and personal cell phone and personal PDA in at work and let the batteries charge, then go home and drain the batteries with use, then bring them back to work the next day for a fill up, would anyone consider that stealing?

Not if your employer allows it - like every employer I have had does.


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Jenny had a pistol in the other
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#40 2006-07-16 11:32 pm

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Re: Stealing from your employer

"My friend" worked at the box office of a movie theater for matinees. The company was too cheap to pay a separate person to rip tickets so he had to do that too. A couple times a day he would make the motions of hitting the buttons and pretend that he picked up the ticket and ripped it but he was really just selling the other half of somebody elses ticket. $5 a pop and there wasn't a soul in the place counting people or stubs. Honestly tho, he didn't do it more than a couplefew times a shift to bump his pay from like $5/hr to 7ish. Bah. Now I just steal ones and zeros.

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#41 2006-07-17 12:13 am

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Re: Stealing from your employer

There were a couple guys I knew who worked at Chuck E Cheese.  As employees at such a place, they're entitled to free tokens.  They pocketed unknown treasure from birthday parties by offering tokens right there in exchange for the cash so the kid didn't have to walk to the machine.

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#42 2006-07-17 12:14 am

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Re: Stealing from your employer

Funny you should mention that.
We were at a theatre - mom was using credit cards to buy tickets, kids were making noise and she was distracted. The person confirmed the number of tickets, told her the cost, gave her the right number of tickets, mom signed. I looked at receipt - she was charged for two additional tickets.

So mom went back, and told her to correct the problem or she would call the police. The girl said "I don't know how that happened". Mom also called CC company to verify the refund, and told them to deny any further charges from that theatre.


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#43 2006-07-17 12:15 am

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Re: Stealing from your employer

Oh - the scam I suspect was going on - charge people who pay by credit card and are distracted for more tickets, give those tickets to people paying by cash - pocketing their cash.


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#44 2006-07-17 6:36 am

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Re: Stealing from your employer

Sure, what the hell. You're already paying like $400 for a family of 4 with sodas and popcorn. Who's gonna notice and extra $20. heh.

Somebody mentioned posting from work. Oh god yeah. I definitely do that.

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#45 2006-07-17 9:12 am

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Re: Stealing from your employer

resedit wrote:

Oh - the scam I suspect was going on - charge people who pay by credit card and are distracted for more tickets, give those tickets to people paying by cash - pocketing their cash.

At the last theatre where I bought tickets at the box office a couple weeks ago, they would only accept cash, period. Luckily, I had some cash on me, but I could have sworn they took cards before.

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#46 2006-07-17 9:26 am

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Re: Stealing from your employer

mtpalms wrote:

Lots of people here probably post at MAF and do other 'unauthorized' web surfing at work without their bosses knowing about it. A little bit of petty larceny is expected at work: paper clips, rubber bands, and my own little sin; the odd postage stamp. It's when the occasional paper clip or photo copy turns into a box of paper clips and a ream of paper is where I would draw the line. Not a firing offense, but a warning would be in order. If it is allowed to go on, it escalates until people are backing their cars up to loading bays, or funnelling funds into personal accounts, a la Office Space.

I wish we had internet at work to abuse. sad

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#47 2006-07-17 9:43 am

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Re: Stealing from your employer

I guess I steal time from them by lurking Teh Intehweb.


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#48 2006-07-17 10:25 am

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Re: Stealing from your employer

These days, the line between work and home is blurred more than ever.  I may sometimes take advantage of my work computer and internet connection for personal use, but when at home I often end up using my personal computer and bandwidth for work related stuff.  How many people these days take work calls on a cell phone they aren't reimbursed for?  I think for most professionals, that kind of stuff tends to even out in the end, and both employers and employees tend to benefit from the flexibility.

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#49 2006-07-17 10:25 am

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Re: Stealing from your employer

It was pure torture to have all that bandwidth at work and not be able to use it for extra curricular activities. Then going home to dialup and having to have sigs, ads, and avatars shut off in order to get a simple forum page to load in 30 -90  seconds instead of never.

It seemed like such a waste, and soooo unfair! wink

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#50 2006-07-17 12:04 pm

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Re: Stealing from your employer

I had broadband at home BEFORE we had it at work.

I have also used my own flatbed scanner and digital camera for work projects.

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