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1600 bodies piled up in the Bagdhad morgue.

Sounds like somebody unleashed a weapon of mass destruction.

A regular commenter on a particular blog always opens his comment with a counter with this reminder:

"1,218 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…"
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That's from today. Tomorrow the counter will advance one. Good news indeed. And all for a bunch of LIES. Think about all those days, money, and people literally just wasted.

Shameful.

So you call dividing Baghdad in half is progress?:

Iraqi leaders have all but given up on holding the country together and, just two months after forming a national unity government, talk in private of "black days" of civil war ahead.

Signalling a dramatic abandonment of the U.S.-backed project for Iraq, there is even talk among them of pre-empting the worst bloodshed by agreeing to an east-west division of Baghdad into Shi'ite and Sunni Muslim zones, senior officials told Reuters.

Tens of thousands have already fled homes on either side.

"Iraq as a political project is finished," one senior government official said -- anonymously because the coalition under Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki remains committed in public to the U.S.-sponsored constitution that preserves Iraq's unity.

One highly placed source even spoke of busying himself on government projects, despite a sense of their futility, only as a way to fight his growing depression over his nation's future.

"The parties have moved to Plan B," the senior official said, saying Sunni, ethnic Kurdish and majority Shi'ite blocs were looking at ways to divide power and resources and to solve the conundrum of Baghdad's mixed population of seven million.

"There is serious talk of Baghdad being divided into east and west," he said. "We are extremely worried."

Last edited by bedstuy (2006-07-21 12:35 pm)

I think it's been given while the US is still there.

Sternum wrote:

Steyr AUG wrote:

There are many more stories of such things out there and not just human interest but actual progress, you just dont hear about them because all the focus of "other" stations is on the bad, which is I think was res was pointing out.

My point is that the progress pro-war defenders like Resedit and yourself cite -- "Look! We rebuilt the school that we blew up!" -- is meaningless in the grand scheme of things. It's like throwing a glass of water on a raging housefire. It doesn't change a damn thing, and the situation just keeps getting worse. That's why "other" stations don't report these stories -- because they're about as newsworthy as small town volunteer firefighters rescuing Mrs. Murphy's cat from a tree. It's fresh fruit for political vegetables.

No its about iraqi forces who are trained up and loyal to iraq the country and not their religious faction, oh that and the good work they are doing at cleaning up areas of local insurgency.

Trained up, looks like some, here and there.

Loyal to the Iraq country? That's a joke, right.?

Some might be 'moles' in varous battalions, etc. Just about ALL are looking for the right moment to join the various militias. There was an article a few weeks ago (sorry no link, but google should offer a plethora of choice) that talked about a whole battatlion that was already known to be ready to go and protect Kurdish interests.

Geez, who do ya think all this death squad stuff is, anywho? Dragging people out of cars for summary exucution (based on ethnictiy, etc)

OPEN EYES, plz folks.

Oh, many schools, clinics etc are a shambles. Not from 'insurgent' shelling; shoddy workmanship. IIRC a major Big Dig contractor has some contracts in Iraq.

Millions of dollars into war contractor coffers. That's the 'good' news.
Benefit to Iraqi people : priceless (in an ironic sense, meaning of NO VALUE.)

Stop it all now, or ASAP. If not now, WHEN?

Last edited by blank kludge (2006-07-21 10:19 pm)

Saddam owns stock in Diebold? Who knew?
He really did have WMD. Destrucion of elections, that is.
(answering the question: "How will Iraq affect the elections here?")

Last edited by blank kludge (2006-07-22 6:04 pm)

U.S. Soldiers Ask Rumsfeld If They Could Get Surprise Visit From Loved Ones Instead 

BAGHDAD—Although U.S. troops in Iraq said they appreciated President Bush's recent surprise visit, thousands of them have petitioned the White House to arrange surprise visits from relatives and spouses as well. "As great as it was to get a visit from the commander in chief, given the choice, I'd rather see my mom," said Army Cpl. Emilio Salazar, who is serving his third tour of duty. "Or my dad, or even my girlfriend. I'm just saying, they could fit a lot of people on Air Force One." The White Vegetable is Cunning

I heard on TV news tonight that few troops will be brought home by the end of the year.  That's not the way for Bush's "friends" to get votes.

Considering that sectarian violence is only increasing I don't see any troops coming home this entire year.

Steyr AUG wrote:

No actually there is quite a bit of real progress on producing infrasturcture, the info is out there.

Is this representative uninformed, or was he shown the wrong parts of Bagdad, or what?

Rep. Gil Gutknecht (Minn.), once a strong supporter of the war, returned from Iraq this week declaring that conditions in Baghdad were far worse "than we'd been led to believe" and urging that troop withdrawals begin immediately.

...and I'll repeat my question from above....

bratboy wrote:

So is their an escalation of violence, or isn't there?  Is the situation getting worse, remaining about the same, or steadily improving?

Steyr AUG wrote:

Some areas ae getting worse, some are about the same, but the training of the iraqi forces, the most critical part of this operation, is doing quite well.

The country is falling appart! People have zero security, thousands are dying a month, local militias rule the streets, the government is powerless and it looks like its only going to get worse.

Oh but dont worry, the most critical part is going well.

What I don't understand is the need for training - are they children?

Or have all of the Iraqis who know anything about security gone over to the insurgents?