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Chickenhawk wrote:

punkgeek wrote:

Tallgeese wrote:

As I mentioned earlier, they're not on the side of the Jews. They just believe that the Jews have to occupy Jerusalem etc. in order for Jesus to come again.

They view the Jews as tools to bring about the end of the world.

Ah, so they're exploiting them. Even better!

Yeah, but we still control the banks. The fundies only think they're exploiting us.

And Hollywood. Don't forget Hollywood.

i mean Poland. I almost forgot Poland.

[MA] Flying_Meat wrote:

why the hell do people keep quoting this testament and that testament? it's all been rewritten, edited and sanitized for the church's protection anyway.

Sorry, but nope.

resedit wrote:

[MA] Flying_Meat wrote:

why the hell do people keep quoting this testament and that testament? it's all been rewritten, edited and sanitized for the church's protection anyway.

Sorry, but nope.

Sorry, but yeah.

I don't see why, by and large, you'd actually need to alter the text in order to come up with a different interpretation ; the effort would have to huge and it wouldn't be that useful.

bedstuy wrote:

yeah, but the Book of Enoch is the 3rd most found manuscript in the scrolls and it's only still used by the Ethiopian Orthodox

The canon process, for both Jews and Christians, happened long after the last canonized books were written. A book not making the canon process does not mean it is not worthy of study (I don't know if Enoch is), it simply means it did not meet the canon criteria.

One of the criterias for the old testament was that it be written in Hebrew, the only exceptions that were made were Ezra and Daniel (Daniel was partially written in Hebrew). Enoch I don't believe was written in Hebrew.

But Enoch not being mainstream canon does not detract or alter the books that are mainstream canon.

Still doesn't alter one's view on interpretation vs literal meaning of the Bible.  Most Jews don't look at it literally.  Aren't women supposed to be quiet in church and ask questions about sermons to their husbands in the home?

That verse is taken out of context as you are trying to use it.
The church was having a very specific problem that Paul was specifically addressing.

Sternum wrote:

A week into one of the most severe crises the Middle East has seen in years, Israel is getting an influx of support from an unusual source.

More than 3,400 evangelical Christians have arrived in Washington to lobby lawmakers as part of the first annual summit of Christians United for Israel.

Delegates have come from all 50 states and have 280 meetings on Capitol Hill on Wednesday, Pastor John Hagee said.

Pastor Hagee, the main organiser, said the event was the first of its kind.

"For the first time in the history of Christianity in America, Christians will go to the Hill to support Israel as Christians," he said.

The thousands of Christians in Washington - who came and are staying at their own expense - will be urging the US government "not to restrain Israel in any way in the pursuit of Hamas and Hezbollah", he said.

John Hagee is the pastor of the 18,000-member Cornerstone Church in San Antonio, Texas, and a long-time fervent supporter of Israel.

In common with many American evangelicals, he believes that God gave the land to the Jewish people and that Christians have a Biblical duty to support it and the Jews.

His latest book, Jerusalem Countdown: A Warning to the World, interprets the Bible to predict that Russian and Arab armies will invade Israel and be destroyed by God.

This will set up a confrontation over Israel between China and the West, led by the anti-Christ, who will be the head of the European Union, Pastor Hagee writes.

That final battle between East and West - at Armageddon, an actual place in Israel - will precipitate the second coming of Christ, he concludes.

SOURCE

I used to think that religious fundamentalism was a problem for third-world countries where money and education were scarce. Even after reading this article, I still find it hard to believe that there are "good Christians" in the United States that would actively work to prevent peace-keeping measures from stopping a war in which thousands of completely innocent bystanders, including children, are being killed. Especially since their motives are based on a book in which people turn into salt, live inside whales, and talk to burning bushes.

The only more disturbing thing is that they don't belong to a tiny fringe cult -- there's 40 million of them, and they wield a frightening chunk of political power.

I'd like to know what the sentence I bolded has to do with these fundamental Christians living in a Nation that has religious freedom.  And I sorta doubt these 40 million odd people you are talking about fall into the ranks of the rich and educated.

I'd also like to take this moment to thank the Democrats, the progressive movement,  and those responsible for expanding franchise.

Remember that there are 40 million of these people the next time you hear Bush or McCain say something "pandering" to this group via the mass media, okay?

Last edited by gas huffer (2006-07-29 6:56 pm)

Gatchaman wrote:

And that problem was, bitches can't keep their damn mouths shut.

The problem was disorderly worship.

I think I'm going to start carrying one of these around to hand out:

IMMORTAL SOUL LIABILITY WAIVER
 
I, _________________ (hereinafter referred to as "HEATHEN"), do hereby assume control and guardianship of my own (alleged) immortal soul (hereinafter referred to as "KATRA").   I hereby, for myself, discharge, hold harmless, and forever acquit ___________________ (hereinafter referred to as "GOOD SAMARITAN") and any affiliated persons, church, sangha, synagogue, coven, mosque or similar organization, from any and all actions, causes of action, claims or any liabilities whatsoever, known or unknown now existing or which may arise in the future, on account of or in any way related to or arising out of my participation in (allegedly) sinful activity, including, but not limited to: sodomy, allowing women to speak and/or be uncovered in public, swearing, failing to observe the Sabbath, drinking, dancing, eating pork and other activities proscribed in the Bible, Torah, Koran, Path of Enlightenment, Book of Mormon or other religious text or school of thought.  HEATHEN agrees to assume all potential consequences of aforementioned sinful actions to self and/or KATRA including, but not limited to: being eternally damned, cast into the lake of fire, failing to achieve nirvana and being forced to be reborn, not getting seventy virgins in the afterlife, spending a millennium in purgatory or simply rotting in the grave never to be resurrected.

GOOD SAMARITAN agrees to cease and desist any and all attempts to evangelize, cajole, proselytize, englighten or otherwise convert HEATHEN and save his/her KATRA from potential hazards that may befall HEATHEN once s/he exits this plane of existence.  HEATHEN also agrees to allow Jehovah/Yahweh/Joseph Smith/Allah/Goddess/Great Spirit/Zeus or other deity to say, "I told you so" if in fact there is an afterlife and HEATHEN appears before them.
 
I understand that I am a human being with free will and enter into this agreement being of sound mind and body and under no duress.

Signed on this ____ day of _____ in the year C.E. ________
 
HEATHEN's name (please print): _________________________

HEATHEN's signature: __________________________

Last edited by robco (2006-08-01 12:02 am)

Consider it open-source.

If the people like Hagee, Robertson, Falwell, Phelps and Chick are the ones going to heaven, I'd prefer to burn in Hell.  That's where all the interesting people will be.

I suppose some men find feminism a threat to the existing order.

robco wrote:

If the people like Hagee, Robertson, Falwell, Phelps and Chick are the ones going to heaven, I'd prefer to burn in Hell.  That's where all the interesting people will be.

Does not compute. Those are all interesting people. And I don't want to spend eternity with them. With the exception of Chick. And from looking at how they treat people, I'm fairly certain that I won't have to.