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#1 2006-08-19 8:53 am
- Orion
- Bovi-sapiens

- From: America's Dairyland
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Learn to do your damn job!
The following rant was supposed to be posted yesterday, but the forums took a crap just as I hit submit. Here goes:
I just got off the phone with my local implement dealership. The one parts guy is a complete idiot. I ordered all the gaskets I needed to reinstall the head on my tractor as soon as it came in. I called yesterday about the head, and they said it would be there that day because it was already on the truck from the shop they send them to. They never called back that it came. I had to call them this morning to find out it had come in just a few minutes after I had called the previous afternoon. The asshat never called me back. So I asked if he had all the gaskets there for me. "Yup!" he says. "They're all here." Well, long story short, he forgot to order two of the gaskets. I got home and went through everything and came up two short. I got the tractor back together as far as I can, but I can't run it yet because of the missing gaskets! 
This tractor is the one we use the most and it is very important that I get it back together in a timely fashion. I already had to wait over two weeks for the head, and now I have to wait until probably Wednesday before I can get the rest of the gaskets to finally finish it. The guy had the complete list of what I needed. He read it back to me to be sure. He forgot two of the more important gaskets.
What incompetence! The idiot that he replaced was alot better, but that isn't saying much. This guy couldn't even find the exhaust system in the parts program. I could finally hear him talking to the head parts guy about it and he said "Its right HERE!" in a very irritated tone. If you can't read a parts diagram, you shouldn't be working at a busy parts counter.
To top the whole thing off, I unwrapped the cellophane from the head when I got it and marveled at what a good job the shop did to fix and rebuild it. Then I picked it up and smurfing sand from their sand blaster spilled out of the oil and water galleys. I had to spend a half hour cleaning them out, and I damn well better have gotten it all out or the engine is toast. The head was cleaned and oiled, but some jackass didn't bother doing a complete job. If I was the average person, I would have put it right on. The way they had it oiled and wrapped told me that it was all ready to go on. If I hadn't checked, there would have been a serious problem. If that engine throws a bearing, those smurf are getting a call from me. Let them replace the crankshaft and pay to rebuild the engine. It was almost 5 grand for me to do it last time. That didn't include any labor because I did all the work.
WHY CAN'T PEOPLE JUST DO THEIR JOB RIGHT FOR A CHANGE!!!!!

Farming is easy when your plow is a pencil and you are a thousand miles from the cornfield. -Dwight D. Eisenhower
Don't curse the farmer with your mouth full.
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#2 2006-08-19 9:00 am
- macnuke
- just a plano guy
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- From: North Dallas 40
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Re: Learn to do your damn job!
just goes to prove.. if you want it done right.. do it yourself.
then again, when you are paying someone, and they smurf up bigtime, it's perfectly OK to just shoot them.
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#3 2006-08-19 10:16 am
- Orion
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- From: America's Dairyland
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Re: Learn to do your damn job!
macnuke wrote:
just goes to prove.. if you want it done right.. do it yourself.
Everything I have done is right. Maybe I have to become a dealer myself so I can get the parts direct. In Europe, there is a website that you can go to and order the parts for your machine. The parts get shipped to the nearest dealer and you pick them up. It supposedly works with most of the brands over there. Why can't they have that here? They won't even let you have access to a parts diagram. I could just phone them up with the part numbers I need and have them order. Even better would be to order the parts online and have them shipped to the dealer. Then the dealer can't screw up my order.
then again, when you are paying someone, and they smurf up bigtime, it's perfectly OK to just shoot them.
Only in Texas... 
Farming is easy when your plow is a pencil and you are a thousand miles from the cornfield. -Dwight D. Eisenhower
Don't curse the farmer with your mouth full.
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#4 2006-08-19 10:33 am
- dv
- Negusa Negest
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Re: Learn to do your damn job!
Orion wrote:
Everything I have done is right. Maybe I have to become a dealer myself so I can get the parts direct. In Europe, there is a website that you can go to and order the parts for your machine. The parts get shipped to the nearest dealer and you pick them up. It supposedly works with most of the brands over there. Why can't they have that here? They won't even let you have access to a parts diagram. I could just phone them up with the part numbers I need and have them order. Even better would be to order the parts online and have them shipped to the dealer. Then the dealer can't screw up my order.
I assume it's the same reason I can't order Apple repair parts for my older macs. The dealers have them, they can get them, but they won't sell 'em to you.
Sorry your parts guy is a doofus. But, well, there's a reason he's an underling at a parts shop. Not exactly glamorous work, that.
"Now commences the process of cutting off the head, which generally takes from an hour to an hour and a half by an expert workman with a sharp blade." -Reuben Delano, Wanderings and Adventures
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#5 2006-08-19 11:13 am
- macnuke
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Re: Learn to do your damn job!
Orion wrote:
Only in Texas...
naww... we do it here in looziana also 
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#6 2006-08-20 9:34 am
- Orion
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- From: America's Dairyland
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Re: Learn to do your damn job!
macnuke wrote:
Orion wrote:
Only in Texas...
naww... we do it here in looziana also
Well, he does have a faded southern accent. Probably from Alabama or Georgia from the sound of it. I sort of know the Alabama accent after attending a dealer training session with a guy from there. It sounded like he was choking on something while he was talking! 
Him: "S' waacha shink aba da mitn?"
Me: "EH?" 
Him (louder): "S' waacha shink aba da mitn?"
Me: "EH??.......OH! What do I think about the meeting? Its pretty cool."
Him: "Gla ja like 't!"
Farming is easy when your plow is a pencil and you are a thousand miles from the cornfield. -Dwight D. Eisenhower
Don't curse the farmer with your mouth full.
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#7 2006-08-20 10:06 am
- Pithecanthropus
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Re: Learn to do your damn job!
Sounds like somebody should get a sizable discount when the parts finally come in. Complain to the owners! Remember, it's the sqeaky tractor wheel that gets the grease.
Grandfatherly advice: You can drink 'em pretty, but you can't drink 'em smart.
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#8 2006-08-20 11:43 am
- Pariah
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Re: Learn to do your damn job!
It is my general belief that you run into lousy work like that because who ever owns the company refuses to pay well enough to attract quality employees.
Really when you boil it down wether it's Wal-Mart or the local tractor shop you get the quality of employee you are willing to pay for. Most businesses would rather save the $100 a week or what ever it would take to hire good people. If you get lousy service it is ALWAYS the business owner or managers fault. I have worked at enough places to know that some places the goal is excellence, some places they are happy to settle for barely good enough and that choice is made at the management level.
"and it's not surprising that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
Barack Obama
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#9 2006-08-20 3:26 pm
- Orion
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Re: Learn to do your damn job!
This dealer has three parts people now. The one has been there forever, he even worked at the old IH dealer and transfered to this place when they bought out the IH dealership back in 1984. You can come in there with a part and he can sometimes have a new one for you by the time you get to the counter. That's what I call speedy service! This guy was just hired maybe 6 months ago and has alot to learn. The guy he replaced wasn't much good either, but at least he never screwed up my orders. He just took a long time to find your parts, mostly because he wasn't much good with computers. The trouble is that most parst people have no idea what the machine looks like apart from what the diagram shows. I was a parts guy for awhile at the small engine shop, but I also did all of the fixing, so I knew exactly how things went together. It got so that I could identify commonly used parts by sight and could pull them from the shelf without looking them up. I wish they had the parts people in the shops for some technical training before they let them behind the counter.
I plan to let them know how disappointed I am, but I don't think the owner will care. He's too busy with his manure digester business that he also runs to give a damn about some little farmer who had to wait a few days.
Farming is easy when your plow is a pencil and you are a thousand miles from the cornfield. -Dwight D. Eisenhower
Don't curse the farmer with your mouth full.
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#10 2006-08-20 9:00 pm
- lagamorph
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Re: Learn to do your damn job!
I feel your pain about people not doing the job they're paid to do! I sold some property two years ago! TWO FREAKING YEARS AGO! And I get a notice from a law firm stating that I'm late on the property taxes and they're going to put a lien on me if I don't pay up!
We have been trying for over a YEAR to get this cleared up. We've talked to everyone in the Hockley County Couthouse trying to clear this up. Oh, yes, it's been taken care of.... NOT!
I emailed the law firm and gave them everyone's name, email, phone numbers, copies of the sale, etc. Nope, didn't hear anything. Got a second letter. This time, my husband calls them because I'm too enraged to speak appropriately. He was much nicer than I would have been. He gets this "kid's" (very YOUNG lawyer) email and sends him a copy of the original email.
This kid does call us back the next day TWICE! The first time was to tell us he got the email and all the information he needed was in it. Then he called back to tell us that the fools in the tax assessors' office that handles the property in Hockley County had decided that they didn't want to bother with changing the ownership information on this property! It was just easier to leave it "as is" and bill us for the property taxes!
I was speechless! Absolutely speechless, as was the young lawyer.
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#11 2006-08-23 7:56 pm
- Orion
- Bovi-sapiens

- From: America's Dairyland
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Re: Learn to do your damn job!
Well, the saga continues. I called yesterday. No gaskets. One order had come in but the part they sent was the flange, not the gasket. Me thinks someone ordered the wrong part. So, I was in town this afternoon and I stopped in. They looked a bit panicked when I told them I was there for the gaskets. The water manifold one had come in that morning, but the gasket they had to reorder yesterday didn't come in. In fact, it didn't even show up on their order forms. (Hmm, maybe someone was forgetful again???) So, they re-reordered it this morning. They claim it will be there tomorrow. I didn't wait. I got the tractor back together, reusing what was left of that exhaust pipe gasket. It leaks a tiny bit, but I will be damned if I am gonna wait for them.
The problem now is that the smurfing water manifold leaks. The damn gasket didn't seal properly. Either the gasket shifted when I put it together, or the damn head is no longer smooth there. They bead blasted the head and didn't re-machine the exhaust manifold face or the water manifold face. Bead blasting leaves a slightly pitted surface, somewhat like an orange rind, just not as rough. It makes sealing a gasket damn hard. Me thinks I will write a nice little letter to them and tell them what smurfy service I have been getting. Maybe a forward to the BBB will get them to listen. 
Well, I guess I know what I will be doing tomorrow. I have a tractor to tear down again to get at that damn gasket. It took less time to completely strip the engine down and rebuild it two years ago than it has taken to get this damn head problem fixed. The tractor runs better than new (thanks to an upgraded carb!) now, but this gasket snafu has really left me with a sour taste in my mouth. That dealership was my favorite one in the area, but they may have just lost a customer. We were even contemplating buying some equipment there next year, but they will not be getting that business now. I would rather drive 30 miles to the next nearest IH dealer than to deal with this smurf anymore. 
Farming is easy when your plow is a pencil and you are a thousand miles from the cornfield. -Dwight D. Eisenhower
Don't curse the farmer with your mouth full.
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#12 2006-08-28 6:33 pm
- yankees4life
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Re: Learn to do your damn job!
yeah, if you had to go through that much trouble for something that should be pretty trivial for a parts company, you should do something about it.
although i just think of coniving thoughts in situations like this that i wouldn't actually do, i would almost consider waiting for the parts to arrive and then installing them and then wait for something to go wrong and just sue them. that's ludicrous that they didn't completely clean the parts before they gave them to you if that would have screwed up your tractor.
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#13 2006-08-30 5:06 pm
- beaverfever
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Re: Learn to do your damn job!
Orion wrote:
[b]WHY CAN'T PEOPLE JUST DO THEIR JOB RIGHT FOR A CHANGE!!!!!
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...Because some businesses want to staff their businesses while only offering minimum wage, and you get what you pay for. Some businesses don't have a lot of employment candidates to choose from and have to take what they can get.
You may begin arguing Warnock's Dilemma now.
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#14 2006-08-30 5:18 pm
- ConnertheCat
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- From: Penfield, NY
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Re: Learn to do your damn job!
So, the guy forgot two things initally... In my opinion that could be either on his end or the shipper - and something that wouldn't illicet the wrath you initially gave him, particularly if you ordered many parts (which it seems you may have).
The latter half does show some general smurf though... then again, you said he was new?
*attempts to be a poor devil's advocate*
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#15 2006-08-30 8:09 pm
- Orion
- Bovi-sapiens

- From: America's Dairyland
- Registered: 2000-09-12
- Posts: 2958
Re: Learn to do your damn job!
ConnertheCat wrote:
So, the guy forgot two things initally... In my opinion that could be either on his end or the shipper - and something that wouldn't illicet the wrath you initially gave him, particularly if you ordered many parts (which it seems you may have).
The latter half does show some general smurf though... then again, you said he was new?
*attempts to be a poor devil's advocate*
Well, lets just say that this isn't the first time I have had orders screwed up by this guy. Everyone wants to talk to the head guy because he can get at least 3 people handled to every one that the other two can do. He's the one that has some part numbers memorized so he doesn't even have to look them up. Someone will ask for a certain part and you will hear him shout the part number from the back where he is helping another customer. "That's a 347564R1. Third row on the right." 
What is really funny is seeing the head guy with a phone on each ear, while still helping a customer at the counter. That guy is amazing. I don't know what I will do if he ever retires.
Last edited by Orion (2006-08-30 8:11 pm)
Farming is easy when your plow is a pencil and you are a thousand miles from the cornfield. -Dwight D. Eisenhower
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