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#76 2003-06-24 4:11 pm
- ash
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Re: Legalize incest marriages
Maybe because it is sin?
Or is that term proscribed in today's world? Or is it too abstruse an argument
so as to escape elucidation?

I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: 'O Lord, make my enemies ridiculous.' And God granted it.
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#77 2003-06-24 4:13 pm
Re: Legalize incest marriages
Maybe because it is sin?
As defined by whom? You?
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#78 2003-06-24 4:18 pm
- bratboy
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Re: Legalize incest marriages
Now.. you can say it could (you don't know for sure) be because of genetics, or environmental (overpopulation) impact. The bottom line is that it IS what PLEASES your senses, right? Some say this kind of thing is part of what seperates human beings from everything else on this planet - we do things not because it favours the best interest of the species but because it gives us some kind of personal pleasure. Doing drugs doesn't do anything positive for the species, any other animal would avoid drugs if it didn't provide some life necessity... but us, no, a large group of our species do drugs simply because they find some pleasure in what the drug does to them. Women get together sexually with other women, and men with men because they find it pleasing to their senses.. These acts certainly do not favour the species in terms of procreation and survival of the species (although some could argue that it does serve in the best interest of the survival of the fittest of the species.. who knows.. speculation again.. no one will know for another 500 years minimum..
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You keep talking about "pleasing senses" and ignoring something bigger...emotional attachment (ie LOVE).
One's 'sexuality' generally defines whom that person will love as well...not just engage in sex with.
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#79 2003-06-24 6:15 pm
- ash
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Re: Legalize incest marriages
Maybe because it is sin?
As defined by whom? You?
No, I don't think so. I do not believe I have the qualifications to define
whether it is or isn't a sin - not unless I am defined in the first instance as
God.
However, if I read the "relevant" texts on the matter properly, it is
relatively certain that I am correct in my assertion.
You may not agree, and that is your prerogative. You might need to ponder, however, that the law of the land - and the law of even the most
retarded nation on earth - proscribes such practice.
But then you may not agree. It is perfectly possible that you might have a personal reason for disagreement. I do not know, and I care less.
The FACT is, that until you change the COMMON LAW of your country, it will remain not only a sin, but it will, curiously, be unlawful!
(even in America!)
(Where's the 'sticky finger' emoticonwhen you need it!)
I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: 'O Lord, make my enemies ridiculous.' And God granted it.
Voltaire
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#80 2003-06-24 7:15 pm
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Re: Legalize incest marriages
I do wish the tenants of 'thou shall not judge others' and 'thou shall mind thy own smurfing business' had made it into the top 10.
"One thing we've learned is there's a difference between being disappointed and having madmen in authority."
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#81 2003-06-24 9:00 pm
- Pithecanthropus
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Re: Legalize incest marriages
Sorry, Ash, I may not always agree with you but I have always respected your opinion. Until now.
"Because it's a sin" doesn't cut it. Sin is way too arbitrary a concept to fit into this argument. And it brings me back to my original point: what skin is it off your ass?
How does it harm you -- personally if two people of the same sex want to marry? They're not asking you to do it for them, they're not asking you to share living quarters with them. So what harm is there? And don't feed me any Sodom and Gemorra crap (although I don't believe that you would).
I've known straight couples I knew shouldn't have gotten married. But I let them make their own mistake. If there is fundamentally something wrong with homosexual marriage, they'll figure it out.
Let 'em get hitched, I say.
Grandfatherly advice: You can drink 'em pretty, but you can't drink 'em smart.
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#82 2003-06-24 9:59 pm
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Re: Legalize incest marriages
In regards to the genetics discussion in the last page... I love to see how people try to simplify genetics. Genetics is not simple, it's not just a matter of dominate and recessive genes determining the outcome of the individual. It's always interesting to see people try to use it in a debate.
Genetics is a very complicated thing, obviously. In the world of genetics, certain gene combinations can produce specific outcomes. Such as having this and this gene does nothing, but in combination with another gene, produces a very different outcome. In humans, for example, left-handedness, I believe, is not entirely determined by what genes you have. Having the specific genes means you only have a chance at becoming left-handed.
External factors can also determine many things during development. The most commonly known one is temperature. Higher and lower temperatures determine the sex of certain reptiles.
Not forgetting excessive amounts of certain chemicals and hormones is also believed to cause changes to an individual during development.
One theory has been that homosexuality is caused by an dramatic change in the amount of hormones the fetus is exposed to, possibility related to stress on the mother.
Then there is the obvious possibility it is caused by common chromosomal mutations. Although I think that's unlikely considering how many homosexuals there are... who knows.
Regardless, anyone that knows anything about genetics knows the arguments against homosexuality in regards to genetics is nonsense spouted by people ignorant on the subject.
<note: I don't claim to be an expert either, but I've studied it quite a bit as a microbiology student... and I know when BS is BS>
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#83 2006-09-04 6:47 pm
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Re: Legalize incest marriages
It's legal in some states for even 1st cousins to marry. For more info check out
http://www.geocities.com/kingseahorse/marriages.html . I have no news regarding siblings or parent & child marriages.
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#84 2006-09-04 6:53 pm
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Re: Legalize incest marriages
Zombie thread
BOYCOTT SONY
"I think the question now is not whether you went to Vietnam or whether you didn't, whether you fought in the war or fought against the war. I think the only question is whether we can find a president smart enough never to make a mistake like that again"--Molly Ivins, way back in 1992
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#85 2006-09-04 7:43 pm
- bratboy
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Re: Legalize incest marriages
Please don't boost zombie threads, thank you.
"One thing we've learned is there's a difference between being disappointed and having madmen in authority."
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