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#1 2006-10-01 4:14 pm

rynedee
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ETA on BluRay drives?

Has Apple announced when they will start using Blu-Ray drives in their desktops/laptops?

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#2 2006-10-01 4:23 pm

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Re: ETA on BluRay drives?

First Blu-Ray drives in a 5.25" form-factor need to become available.

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#3 2006-10-01 6:54 pm

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Re: ETA on BluRay drives?

They allready exist.

This page hasent been updated in a while, as Pioneer and Sony have released new models, but you get the idea:
http://www.blu-ray.com/drives/

Oh, here is some old / new news from Engadget:
http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/18/pion … -just-999/
http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/18/sony … ay-burner/
http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/06/lgs- … -reviewed/

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#4 2006-10-01 7:05 pm

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Re: ETA on BluRay drives?

Apple has not announced plans to sell BD drives. However Roxio has announced plans to update Toast to support 3rd party drives. However It will be up to Apple or someone else to handle movie playback.

Yet I'm going to wait for affordable combo HD DVD / BD drives before I start to care about next gen optical media.

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#5 2006-10-01 7:12 pm

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Re: ETA on BluRay drives?

Heh, right after I posted that I had a look at Dailytech.

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#6 2006-10-01 7:34 pm

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Re: ETA on BluRay drives?

BTW: Apple's software (DVD Studio Pro, Disc utility) should support Blu-ray now, as Apple is in the Blu-ray army.
But I doubt we will se Blu-ray drives in macs (as BTO) until the prices have fallen and availablity increases.
When.. ? I dunno maybe next summer / WWDC... ?

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#7 2006-10-01 8:19 pm

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Re: ETA on BluRay drives?

Short Circuit wrote:

BTW: Apple's software (DVD Studio Pro, Disc utility) should support Blu-ray now, as Apple is in the Blu-ray army.

Nope. No BD support from Apple as of yet. However, DVD Studio Pro does "support" HDDVD...but you're going to be forced to burn an ISO.

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#8 2006-10-01 11:38 pm

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Re: ETA on BluRay drives?

I wouldn't recommend holding your breath.

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#9 2006-10-02 10:28 am

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Re: ETA on BluRay drives?

I guess I just don't see all the hype about Blu-ray...I mean, are we not getting decent playback out of our existing HD TV's with existing DVD technology?  Is there really a clamour for that much storage capacity on a single optical media disk?  How long would it take to burn one of those anyway?

I realize that at this point, HD isn't the utopia everyone imagined, but aren't we attempting to move away from hard media delivery anyway?  DVR's are virtually free for most users of digital cable or satellite delivery making on demand video easy.  Most have HD options available at moderate costs, and HD services are expanding greatly.  Combine that stuff with internet media delivery, and Blu-ray could be a great standard with limited useful lifecycle.  I see lack of Blu-ray in Macs often mentioned as a huge drawback, but I just don't see why this standard carries so much interest.


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#10 2006-10-02 10:50 am

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Re: ETA on BluRay drives?

Do you really need more than 128MB of RAM?

No, but it's nicer this way.

And that goes for both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD and the slew of new tech.


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#11 2006-10-02 12:34 pm

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Re: ETA on BluRay drives?

Shadowless wrote:

Do you really need more than 128MB of RAM?

No, but it's nicer this way.

And that goes for both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD and the slew of new tech.

I completely understand the technology advancement and even the techno-lust side of it, I just wanted to see if it was more than that.  I mean, one of the reasons C-Net gives for why the iMac isn't great is because it doesn't have blu-ray.  I have heard this argument elsewhere.  Just doesn't seem like such a big deal to me, I guess shrug

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#12 2006-10-02 2:07 pm

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Re: ETA on BluRay drives?

Shadowless wrote:

Do you really need more than 128MB of RAM?

No, but it's nicer this way.

o rly

apple.com wrote:

Mac OS X Version 10.4 requires a Macintosh with:

    * PowerPC G3, G4, or G5 processor
    * Built-in FireWire
    * At least 256MB of physical RAM
    * A built-in display or a display connected to an Apple-supplied video card supported by your computer
    * At least 3.0 GB of available space on your hard drive; 4GB of disk space if you install XCode 2 developer tools
    * DVD drive for installation (get CD media for $9.95)

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#13 2006-10-02 5:27 pm

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Re: ETA on BluRay drives?

Then I'll say "Do you really need Mac OS X 10.4?"


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#14 2006-10-02 6:04 pm

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Re: ETA on BluRay drives?

Shadowless wrote:

Do you really need more than 128MB of RAM?

No, but it's nicer this way.

And that goes for both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD and the slew of new tech.

I know a CAD department of a local engineering shop that invested a lot of money in mechanical erasers back in the mid-90's (when they were called the drafting department).  That certainly seems like a dead-end technology, and it was quickly swallowed up by computers and CAD.

I think that was Volk's point.  At some point, physical media will become (nearly) obsolete, replaced by digital content delivery via the web, or satellites or something more amazing.  Whatever physical media technology exists at that point will be an evolutionary dead-end.  Is blu-ray that dead end?  It might be.  It depends on the speed at which digital delivery becomes mainstream versus the speed of evolution in the physical media universe.

Notice also, that I said (mostly) obsolete, not totally.  Just like erasers are still needed, I am sure we will never totally get rid of physical media, but we may reach a point in the not-to-distant future where content delivery on phyical media seems just as funny to us as mechanical erasers.


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#15 2006-10-02 7:02 pm

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Re: ETA on BluRay drives?

volk wrote:

I see lack of Blu-ray in Macs often mentioned as a huge drawback

Often? I never heard -anyone- mention that as a drawback. Especially since BD drives JUST hit the market, they cost over $700, and there is limited content and software supporting them. 

Moreover, good luck walking into an electronics store and discovering a PC pre-configured with a BD drive. Sony seems to be selling a few computers with BD drives, but I can't even find a BD Drive as a build-to-order option on HP or Dell's site.

Moreover, it's not like current Macs can't support future external hardware via firewire / USB 2.

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#16 2006-10-03 4:02 am

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Re: ETA on BluRay drives?

Aqua OS X wrote:

Apple has not announced plans to sell BD drives.

They have, unofficially. Check the SATA connections in the back of the Mac Pro's Optical bays.
big_smile


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#17 2006-10-03 4:40 am

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Re: ETA on BluRay drives?

reece_james wrote:

Aqua OS X wrote:

Apple has not announced plans to sell BD drives.

They have, unofficially. Check the SATA connections in the back of the Mac Pro's Optical bays.
big_smile

True, they are a member of the BDA; however, I was referring to specific product announcements.

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#18 2006-10-03 9:25 am

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Re: ETA on BluRay drives?

Aqua OS X wrote:

volk wrote:

I see lack of Blu-ray in Macs often mentioned as a huge drawback

Often? I never heard -anyone- mention that as a drawback. Especially since BD drives JUST hit the market, they cost over $700, and there is limited content and software supporting them. 

Moreover, good luck walking into an electronics store and discovering a PC pre-configured with a BD drive. Sony seems to be selling a few computers with BD drives, but I can't even find a BD Drive as a build-to-order option on HP or Dell's site.

Moreover, it's not like current Macs can't support future external hardware via firewire / USB 2.

I have actually had 3 conversations about this when I bought my iMac, and all three people said the same thing..."You can't upgrade to Blu-Ray".  I mention firewire connections, and they say, "Yeah, but it isn't internal".  Check C-Net's review of the new 24" iMac...they say the same thing!  Check it here: http://reviews.cnet.com/Apple_iMac_Core … =pdtl-list

I don't know if everyone has been reading the same article, but it is kind of a head scratcher to me shrug


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#19 2006-10-03 11:28 am

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Re: ETA on BluRay drives?

I'd like to see how many people would ACTUALLY UPGRADE their computers to put a BD drive in it rather than either:

1) Buying a totally new computer with an internal BD drive

or

2) Buying an external USB2 BD drive

Fact is, almost everyone would rather buy a new computer or an external drive of some sort than to upgrade their computer's internals. And I'm sure down the line somewhere someone will make a slot-loading BDD that can be used on the iMacs, so that argument doesn't even really matter, AFAIK.


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#20 2006-10-03 1:42 pm

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Re: ETA on BluRay drives?

volk wrote:

I have actually had 3 conversations about this when I bought my iMac, and all three people said the same thing..."You can't upgrade to Blu-Ray".  I mention firewire connections, and they say, "Yeah, but it isn't internal".  Check C-Net's review of the new 24" iMac...they say the same thing!  Check it here: http://reviews.cnet.com/Apple_iMac_Core … =pdtl-list

I don't know if everyone has been reading the same article, but it is kind of a head scratcher to me shrug

Well, that's a complaint about the iMac's enclosure, not a complaint about the iMac not having a BD drive.

No one in their right mind cares about BD or HDDVD right now. Everyone is waiting for it to get resolved.

When it does get resolved, buy an affordable external drive. You have a desktop, IMHO whether it's internal or not really isn't important unless you have a laptop.

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#21 2006-10-03 4:32 pm

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Re: ETA on BluRay drives?

Indeed, For a computer drive I'll either wait for a standard to be adopted & cheap drive/burner to be release or wait for a cheap dual format drive/burner to be released.

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