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No Shnicky, that's impossible. You... right? 

Kev, I demand a recount, there is something wrong with this picture!

Ooooh, I see I touched a nerve . Ok, you can be right Shnicky.

We will enshrine this day as the Day When Shnicky was Right!

Be sure to bring a valid passport. You will be stopped when attempting to cross the Texas border! Don't want those illegal immigrents here. That includes anyone who doesn't have Texas plates on their car.

Last edited by sturner (2006-10-20 3:13 pm)

Hey, if a Maine yankee can pass himself off as a Texan, Shnick can too!

Last edited by user (2006-10-20 3:31 pm)

ShnickyShnack wrote:

Damn right, y'all!

Dead giveaway of a phoney.  The plural form is "all y'all"......"y'all" is singular.

JakeTheTall wrote:

ShnickyShnack wrote:

Damn right, y'all!

Dead giveaway of a phoney.  The plural form is "all y'all"......"y'all" is singular.

Not in my world.

kb5zhh wrote:

JakeTheTall wrote:

ShnickyShnack wrote:

Damn right, y'all!

Dead giveaway of a phoney.  The plural form is "all y'all"......"y'all" is singular.

Not in my world.

Ok, just what I've heard...maybe it depends how deep in the South one goes.

I'm just trying to help out the foreigner.

"Adapt to win".

Last edited by user (2006-10-20 6:42 pm)

sturner wrote:

We will use pink hummers from now on.

We are sending Monica Lewinsky?

Farmerkev wrote:

isaly wrote:

farmerkev wrote:

The options are lose/leave now and stay/sort of win but at a very very high cost, leave a stable country.

What, in your opinion, constitutes "sort of win but at a very high cost"? Do you think, given what's going on right now, that that's even remotely possible?

Leaving a stable country behind with a govt based on a modern constitution.
It's possible but not quick or cheap.
No war or conflict lasts forever.

How long is it ther was a problem with Israelis and Palestinians ?

But hey i bet they cant have a 100 year war the french and english did that one  already 

As for what to do in Iraq 

1 Admit it was really stupid idea
2 realise that you cant stuff democracy down ppls throats 
3 setup a schedule  for withdrawal and leave with  big poster we did what we could if you smurf up its your problem
4 watch as within a year (if that ) whole country  engulfs in fully blown civil war with  factions killing each other and iran putting a mullah  (alternative might be a warlord receiving support from iran or syria if syria expect less of religious bs) on the top making the billions of dollars and thousands of lives a total waste.  Which btw anyone  with a speck of common sense and not totally ignorant of politics in middle east would have known all along

sturner wrote:

If you look at Western Europe, and include Russia just for grins, you will notice that the implementation of democracy as a viable political institution takes place at different times. And the strength of that institution varies in direct proportion to the amount of historical time that the rights of the individual were considered important.

Therefore, from England, where it started, you can trace a line of weaker democracies to the east, France, Spain, Italy, Germany, Austria, the balkans, to Russia. The further east you go, the shorter is the time that individual rights were considered important. After all serfs in Russia were freed only in the 1840's.

Going west you have America, which was on individual rights steriods as a frontier society. We imported the concept of individual rights from England.

Where is all this going? It is not reasonable to expect a society that still has roots in a feudal or warband (read that as tribal) tradition to understand and adequately execute democracy.

I thought you were gonna say America imported slaves ...

Well personally I'm convinced that any nation has the ability to function as a thriving democracy. So many countries with no democratic tradition have taken to it in a huge way -- think of Taiwan and South Korea, those countries are thousands of years old, have strongly Confucian cultures and were never, ever democratic until the past ten or twenty years.

However the will has to be there, the desire. If it's not there (or if it's not strong enough) it just won't happen.