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#1 2005-12-16 1:02 am
- Julian
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PowerBook G4 not booting. (Corrupt PMU?)
Hi all.
So I'm using my 12 inch PowerBook G4 (1.33MHz) which has been purring away almost 24/7 for 2 years or so. Business as usual, chatting to a friend on ICQ when bam, the screen goes black. The machine is still powered, but I can't seem to raise it in any way, it appears to have locked up. So I close the lid and it fails to sleep, (Apple logo still lit up). I open it back up and try the usual keyboard shortcut to shut it down with no luck. I try holding down the power button, also no luck. So I pull the power, flip it over, pull out the battery and let it sit for bit. I reconnect the power and try to boot with no success. There is no startup chime, just a few whirs and clicks and a black screen.
- I try resetting the PRAM, no joy.
- I try resetting the PMU, no joy.
- I reseat the third party RAM, nope.
- I remove the third party RAM, nope.
- I remove the Airport Extreme card, nope.
- I randomly try various keyboard combos that I know will be useless, but try anyway, nothing.
- I am stuck for ideas.
(I can't hold down C and boot off CD because the boot process doesn't even get that far. Later today I will try connecting via firewire to another Mac and booting up as a slave to see if I can get anything, but for now...)
:: Further, potentially useful infomation ::
- With the machine turned off, the battery charges correctly, showing a yellow light while charging and a green light when fully charged.
- Immediately upon turning the machine on, the colour of the charge light goes to green, even if the battery is not fully charged. Watching it for a while I notice that about every 7-8 seconds it flashes yellow very briefly.
- On startup the superdrive makes a few "I'm alive" clicks, the hard drive spins up and the fan spins away. Nothing else happens, no startup chime, nothing. After a short time, the hard drive gets bored and spins down.
- Pressing the caps key results in random results. Sometimes it toggles, sometimes not. Holding it down results in the caps light flashing very rapidly.
- num lock (F6) no longer works, however pressing F5 causes the F6 num lock light to toggle in a random manner (what the?). Holding it down causes the light to flash on and off in a steady manner.
- the only key combination that does anything at all is a PMU reset (which I don't like doing). No other combo that I've tried does anything at all.
My guess is that my logic board has eaten lead or I've got a corrupt PMU, but I don't really know. Having spent the last of my $$$'s buying XMAS presents for people who don't deserve them, I'd really, really like to avoid having to take my little 'out-of-warranty' Mac in for a service.
Does anyone have any ideas?
That flashing num lock has to mean something...
Cheers,
Jules in Perth, Western Australia
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#2 2005-12-16 3:14 am
Re: PowerBook G4 not booting. (Corrupt PMU?)
The not-even-a-chime-or-beep sounds like a fried logic board to me
I had that happen to my 867Mhz TiBook; that sucks. I'd try bringing it into any Mac repair shop for a diagnostic at least. They'll be able to tell you better what's wrong with it.
_Nik
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#3 2006-11-25 9:34 am
- Hamorim
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Re: PowerBook G4 not booting. (Corrupt PMU?)
Sounds like i have the same thing except that i don't think mine is completlely fried yet because If i am persistant enough it usually turns back on and work normally, except for the fact that i can restart it or turn it off.... hence it's always pluged in, and when it's disconnect from the power source i must touch the mouse to make sure it's not sleeping or else it freeze when it recognize that the power cord is back in.....
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#4 2006-11-29 11:10 am
- madmaxmedia
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Re: PowerBook G4 not booting. (Corrupt PMU?)
The same exact thing has happened to me. I even tried swapping logic board AND the DC-DC board, and it still refuses to boot up beyond the chime. My PB (also 12" 1.33) died during sleep, and now cannot boot up at all.
Is it possible for a bad DC-In board to cause this? Because beyond that, I'm out of parts to replace.
I had read of bad optical drives preventing PB's from booting up, so I disconnected it but still no joy.
Any clues, ideas would be much appreciated.
Help!!
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#5 2006-12-03 9:31 pm
- Julian
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Re: PowerBook G4 not booting. (Corrupt PMU?)
@madmaxmedia
I just had a thought: have you tried replacing the reed switch?
Still haven't resolved the problem with my AlBook. I've been trying to avoid getting a new logic board if possible.
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#6 2006-12-05 2:49 pm
- madmaxmedia
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Re: PowerBook G4 not booting. (Corrupt PMU?)
Hey Julian,
The reed switch can easily be removed, if you crack open the case. I wonder if the machine will work if you just unplug the reed switch- would be an easy way to troubleshoot.
I ended up buying a DC-In board, and will be replacing that in the next day or 2. I will post back with my results. The reed switch is another possibility though. Besides those 2, I'll have basically swapped everything out of this PB!! I checked the case, and there doesn't seem to be any debris or anything that might cause a short, etc.
One thing that was interesting. When I first tried the new motherboard, I forgot to plug in the DC-in board (it plugs in on the underside of the logic board.) So it of course wouldn't boot from AC, but I did try on battery power. It behaved just as before- chiming but basically getting no further. I wish I knew what kind of startup routine the PB goes through, so I could do this in a more logical manner. But I'm hoping that my DC-in board is bad, such that the PB stalls in the same manner if no DC-in board is present at all. I'm assuming that there is some sort of back and forth going on between the 2 at startup, but I'm just guessing (and hoping.)
Now that I read your original post again, I see that you get no startup chime, whereas I do. So we may have different parts failing. I did try booting with the DC-DC board disconnected. The machine would power up, but not chime. So your problem may be a bad logic board, or it could also be a bad DC-DC board. Too bad you're so far away, I now have an extra one that you could try.
I also got your email, will let you know what happens.
Thanks, Steve
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#7 2006-12-05 6:30 pm
- Julian
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Re: PowerBook G4 not booting. (Corrupt PMU?)
Hi Steve,
My machine has been in bits for a while now, but I'll try reassembling and leave the reed switch disconnected to see what happens. It would be nice to know the order in which the PB checks its hardware during the power on self test and where the startup chime fits in to that order. Googling ... http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=58442 Ok, the chime comes after successful completion of the POST.
Do you also get the same keyboard symptoms? IE, flashing num lock light while holding F5 (even though num lock is F6) and inconsistent caps lock light behaviour when pressing caps lock?
The fact that you get a chime would suggest that your logic board is probably OK. I'd be suspecting a display related problem or the reed switch. (Maybe the DC-in board but I'd be surprised). In my case, my machine is either not making it to the POST at all, or making it past the POST and dying on some check just before issuing the startup chime (I suspect the former). So chances are that I have a dead logic board or DC-DC board. (Hopefully the latter)
This coincided with the installation of a new battery after the old one was recalled. I wonder if there's a link? Maybe the new battery fried the DC-DC board?
- Julian
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#8 2006-12-06 6:26 pm
- Julian
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Re: PowerBook G4 not booting. (Corrupt PMU?)
Rebuilt the machine without the reed-switch connected -> no change. I'm going to order a new DC-DC board in the next few days and install. The fact that you didn't get a startup chime with your DC-DC board disconnected on boot seems promising that my problem is DC-DC related.
I'm going to search around to see if anyone else has experienced this problem after the battery recall.
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#9 2006-12-07 12:01 am
- Julian
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Re: PowerBook G4 not booting. (Corrupt PMU?)
Another thread to follow for your problem (but not for mine)
http://web.mac.com/rickcameron/iWeb/Ele … .A.P..html
Dodgy temperature sensor.
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