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#1 2007-01-13 8:26 pm
AirTunes dropouts - Ack!
I got rid of my 2.4ghz phone, and that cleared up most of my AirTunes dropouts, but I still experience some. My microwave causes it, and I assume my neighbor's microwave does as well. Who knows - there could be other causes.
EDIT: I suspect one of my neighbors has a frigging 2.4ghz cordless phone... Crap. (I live in a downtown highrise)
Any thoughts on how I can fix this?
Here's my system:
G4 dual 1Ghz Quicksilver running the latest Tiger.
Linksys WRT54G wireless router
Airport Express
Is the trick in how I have the Linksys router set up? Or, is the problem with the setup of Airport Express?
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#2 2007-01-14 10:09 pm
Re: AirTunes dropouts - Ack!
I had no idea anybody used Airtunes anymore, I guess that's just because it's not advertised- out of sight, out of mind.
Anywho, where and for how much can I pick up Airtunes?
Also, good luck figuring this out.
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#3 2007-01-14 11:20 pm
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Re: AirTunes dropouts - Ack!
Are you sure your microwave causes drop-outs? For a while I had huge problems with drop-outs and I was absolutely convinced the microwave and wireless phone were causing problems, but an evening spent doing controlled trials with a friend proved me completely wrong. I'm curious what you have done for troubleshooting.
My problems happened in a big apartment with thick concrete walls, using a base station and two airtunes units. Walking around with my laptop and MacStumbler running, I was able to figure out where the signal was getting through and where it was being blocked, and I positioned the airport units accordingly. Much to my surprise, I learned that moving a unit as little as 10-20 cm could have a huge effect on signal strength and network reliability.
It took a bit of work, but all drop-out problems were eliminated.
You may begin arguing Warnock's Dilemma now.
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#4 2007-01-15 5:40 pm
Re: AirTunes dropouts - Ack!
I can't really walk around and use MacStumbler because my Mac is a G4 tower, but my Airport Express, Linksys router and Mac are all in the same room. It's an open loft.
I know that AirTunes drops out when I use my microwave. It happens pretty much every time.
I also know that my phone used to cause dropouts, but it was a 2.4ghz cordless, and I replaced it with a newer 5.8ghz cordless. That solved the problem of my Airtunes dropping out whenever I'd get a call.
I don't know if this helped or not, but I just updated the firmware in my Linksys router (wrt54g, V2.0)
Here's a dumb question. Since I've got a wireless router going, is Airport Express getting the signal from my Mac, or from the Linksys router? Is there a firmware version for Airport Express that seems more likely to experience dropouts?
I've turned on Interface Robustness in Airport Admin Utility (for Airport Express, obviously)
Can anyone think of anything else I can try? I really suspect one of my neighbors has a cordless phone that's causing my Airtunes dropouts.
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#5 2007-01-16 6:53 am
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Re: AirTunes dropouts - Ack!
The AirPort Express gets its signal through the router. The G4 tower is connected by ethernet cable to the router, correct?
As beaverfever said, a few centimeters can make a big difference.
Try moving the router around. Get it away from the G4 tower and any other electronics, if possible. And position the antennae to point at an angle toward or away from each other.
Is the AirPort Express plugged directly into a wall socket? Put on the long cord and move the Express around.
Be sure to test with interference robustness off and on.
When dealing with radio frequency (RF) problems you have to test, test, test.
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#6 2007-01-16 12:09 pm
Re: AirTunes dropouts - Ack!
Beowulf wrote:
I had no idea anybody used Airtunes anymore, I guess that's just because it's not advertised- out of sight, out of mind.
Anywho, where and for how much can I pick up Airtunes?
Also, good luck figuring this out.
Airtunes is built in to X, not sure how far back, but pretty sure it's in Panther forward. You just need an Airport Extreme Base Station and an Airport Express. Easy to set up with Airport Assistant.
You can use other routers, I find the ease with an Airport worth the extra money.
Tony
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#7 2007-01-16 12:42 pm
Re: AirTunes dropouts - Ack!
I may have solved my airtunes dropouts problem. I connected my Airport Express to my wireless router by ethernet and then I shut off its wireless. That works for me because my wireless router is already over by my stereo.
Seems like that may have solved the problem. If so - SWEET!
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#8 2007-01-16 1:42 pm
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Re: AirTunes dropouts - Ack!
Dunkin' wrote:
Put on the long cord and move the Express around.
You got a long cord with your Airport Express?!
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#9 2007-01-16 7:15 pm
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Re: AirTunes dropouts - Ack!
TheMouthOfSauron wrote:
You got a long cord with your Airport Express?!
I can't speak for Dunkin', but I did not. However, I did get one with my laptop, and they are available separately too. I found using a long cord or extension cord to get the airex away from the wall to be vital in my prior problem scenario.
You may begin arguing Warnock's Dilemma now.
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#10 2007-01-16 7:18 pm
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Re: AirTunes dropouts - Ack!
jalpuna wrote:
I may have solved my airtunes dropouts problem. I connected my Airport Express to my wireless router by ethernet and then I shut off its wireless. That works for me because my wireless router is already over by my stereo.
Seems like that may have solved the problem. If so - SWEET!
If that solves your problem then that's great and all, but isn't the point of using the airex the avoidance of cables? You could make it simpler and just run a cable from your audio out on the comp to your stereo - you'd get better sound quality that way too.
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#11 2007-01-16 7:26 pm
Re: AirTunes dropouts - Ack!
A: Nope - I didn't solve it. The microwave went on, and my airtunes flaked out.
B: the point of Airport Express for me is just to wirelessly get music from my Mac to my stereo. The router just happens to be near the stereo (it's actually hidden behind it) since that's where cable is.
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#12 2007-01-16 7:48 pm
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Re: AirTunes dropouts - Ack!
I bought one of the first AirPort Express. It came with a six foot power cord that could be switched out with the two prong wall plug.
I thought everyone got one of those cords. 
Anywhose...
AirTunes is part of iTunes. It was on the CD that came with the first Express then it was added to all later versions of iTunes.
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#13 2007-01-17 7:40 pm
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Re: AirTunes dropouts - Ack!
Try changing the channel on the wireless router and AirPort Express.
I just solved an interference problem involving an AirPort Base Station, a microwave oven and a Audio Video transmitter/receiver. All use the 2.4 GHz band.
The AirPort was causing static on the TV (through the A/V trans/ceiver). And using the microwave made the static worse, much worse.
Solution was to change the channel on the AirPort Base Station from 1 to 11. Use AirPort Admin Utility in your Utilities folder inside the Applications folder. Now there is no interference.
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