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#26 2007-03-25 8:02 pm

Apcs11
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Re: grrr... humanity is pathetic

justine wrote:

It's interesting that you start a thread in here complaining about and judging people that choose not to donate organs, and yet you completely ignore the thread in Unplugged about one of our posters wives donating a kidney.

Just saying.

Yes but there is a difference, the wife in that thread is a saint, the sister in my news story is a harpy.

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#27 2007-03-25 8:22 pm

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Re: grrr... humanity is pathetic

Apcs11 wrote:

justine wrote:

It's interesting that you start a thread in here complaining about and judging people that choose not to donate organs, and yet you completely ignore the thread in Unplugged about one of our posters wives donating a kidney.

Just saying.

Yes but there is a difference, the wife in that thread is a saint, the sister in my news story is a harpy.

I've been here long enough to know that TCF1's wife isn't a saint. I'm not saying she's a bad person, but she's as imperfect as anybody else.

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#28 2007-03-25 8:51 pm

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Re: grrr... humanity is pathetic

I know I am on the marrow donation list, never been called though.


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#29 2007-03-25 9:49 pm

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Re: grrr... humanity is pathetic

Exactly how painfull is is it to donate your bone marrow ?


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#30 2007-03-25 9:58 pm

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Re: grrr... humanity is pathetic

oatmeal wrote:

The first reply to the full-length report pretty much sums up what I'm thinking about the choice to have gone public with this:

I am a transplantee myself and am very disturbed by this story. Donating organs or bonemarrow is and must be completely voluntary, and should also be private. I could easily appreciate people refusing to be tested for compatability after reading this. I hope this man realises the possible damage his actions may cause. I certainly wouldn't be tested for his sake knowing that I would be hung out in the press afterwards if I decided not to donate.

- Cwm, Manchester

The damage he could cause? If I were in his position I would also bring what ever means I could to bear to get me the tissues I needed.
If that means publicly humiliating someone into to doing it so be it.
I would do that for anyone in my family and I would do that to anyone I needed to.


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#31 2007-03-25 10:19 pm

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Re: grrr... humanity is pathetic

Pariah wrote:

oatmeal wrote:

The first reply to the full-length report pretty much sums up what I'm thinking about the choice to have gone public with this:

I am a transplantee myself and am very disturbed by this story. Donating organs or bonemarrow is and must be completely voluntary, and should also be private. I could easily appreciate people refusing to be tested for compatability after reading this. I hope this man realises the possible damage his actions may cause. I certainly wouldn't be tested for his sake knowing that I would be hung out in the press afterwards if I decided not to donate.

- Cwm, Manchester

The damage he could cause? If I were in his position I would also bring what ever means I could to bear to get me the tissues I needed.
If that means publicly humiliating someone into to doing it so be it.
I would do that for anyone in my family and I would do that to anyone I needed to.

So the ends justify the means?


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#32 2007-03-25 10:39 pm

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Re: grrr... humanity is pathetic

mtpalms wrote:

Apcs11 wrote:

justine wrote:

It's interesting that you start a thread in here complaining about and judging people that choose not to donate organs, and yet you completely ignore the thread in Unplugged about one of our posters wives donating a kidney.

Just saying.

Yes but there is a difference, the wife in that thread is a saint, the sister in my news story is a harpy.

I've been here long enough to know that TCF1's wife isn't a saint. I'm not saying she's a bad person, but she's as imperfect as anybody else.

LOL, indeed!

Man, how little n00bs know.


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#33 2007-03-25 10:53 pm

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Re: grrr... humanity is pathetic

*hides button to control people's lives*

What are you looking at me for?


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#34 2007-03-26 8:49 am

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Re: grrr... humanity is pathetic

Maybe she hates needles....it is EXTREMELY unfair to criticize someone for not wanting to go through this procedure.

The fact that she will not comment on the story is significant.


Aw, he's no fun, he fell right over.

Unless you become as little children, there's no way you will believe this crap.

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#35 2007-03-26 9:33 am

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Re: grrr... humanity is pathetic

MrJ in OZ wrote:

Exactly how painfull is is it to donate your bone marrow ?

The friend that had it done told me it was extremely painful. Enough so that he'd not do it for anyone else. He first went through a series of exams etc, and then was put on specific medications for 7 days prior (iirc).  He had to lay on a bed for close to 8 hours while they extracted the marrow. He wasn't allowed to move a muscle. If he had an itch, they scratched it. If he had to go to the bathroom, it was taken care of by them. He was also told that when they were done, if they didn't get enough marrow that day, then he'd have to go through it all again the next day. he said he's rather die than go through that again. Thankfully, they got what they needed.

They also downplayed how sicj he would be aftwerwards. They told him he'd be a little sick for a few days after. That he would have flu like symptoms. He couldn't work for 3 weeks because he was so sick.


I'm sure i'm forgetting some of what he told me, but that's pretty much it. I just remember him saying the pain was almost unbearable, but that it wasn't just that. It was not being able to move for so long as well as being so sick afterwards.

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#36 2007-03-26 9:48 am

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Re: grrr... humanity is pathetic

justine wrote:

MrJ in OZ wrote:

Exactly how painfull is is it to donate your bone marrow ?

The friend that had it done told me it was extremely painful. Enough so that he'd not do it for anyone else. He first went through a series of exams etc, and then was put on specific medications for 7 days prior (iirc).  He had to lay on a bed for close to 8 hours while they extracted the marrow. He wasn't allowed to move a muscle. If he had an itch, they scratched it. If he had to go to the bathroom, it was taken care of by them. He was also told that when they were done, if they didn't get enough marrow that day, then he'd have to go through it all again the next day. he said he's rather die than go through that again. Thankfully, they got what they needed.

They also downplayed how sicj he would be aftwerwards. They told him he'd be a little sick for a few days after. That he would have flu like symptoms. He couldn't work for 3 weeks because he was so sick.


I'm sure i'm forgetting some of what he told me, but that's pretty much it. I just remember him saying the pain was almost unbearable, but that it wasn't just that. It was not being able to move for so long as well as being so sick afterwards.

wow thats pretty bad.

Needless to say I wouldnt ask any of my loved ones to go throught this for me. But considering that the guy IS asking for his life  and the wellbeing of his family and he is being refused by his own blood relative is unusually apaulling. Say what you will about the woman having every right to refuse the procedure, but her descision has made her a witch.

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#37 2007-03-26 9:51 am

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Re: grrr... humanity is pathetic

You know NOTHING about the personal lives of these people!  How do you feel comfortable repeatedly posting terrible things about someone who you know so little about?

What does this say about you?


"One thing we've learned is there's a difference between being disappointed and having madmen in authority."

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#38 2007-03-26 10:08 am

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Re: grrr... humanity is pathetic

You don't have a right to other people's property, and that includes their organs.


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#39 2007-03-26 10:58 am

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Re: grrr... humanity is pathetic

Without knowing the family history or anything about them I think I'll pass judgement.


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#40 2007-03-26 11:19 am

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Re: grrr... humanity is pathetic

I agree.  While I might personally give marrow or blood or even an organ and it sounds kind of nasty not to help your own brother out, I fully support her right not to do it.  What if we lived in a world where we didn't have a choice?  The Kidney Draft?  I don't think so.  People are basically good, no matter how cynical individual events can make us. 

Methinks the fact that they aren't close now has a lot to do with this.  What happened during their childhood?


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#41 2007-03-26 11:37 am

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Re: grrr... humanity is pathetic

bratboy wrote:

You know NOTHING about the personal lives of these people!  How do you feel comfortable repeatedly posting terrible things about someone who you know so little about?

What does this say about you?

typically human


1. Instill fear.
2. ???????? (use your imagination)
3. Profit!

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#42 2007-03-26 12:20 pm

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Re: grrr... humanity is pathetic

There was obviously already a problem here...who runs to the press in such a situation?


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#43 2007-03-26 2:34 pm

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Re: grrr... humanity is pathetic

Someone who wants to live.

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#44 2007-03-26 2:56 pm

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Re: grrr... humanity is pathetic

C. Ives wrote:

Someone who wants to live.

What a Fuyutski line.

"Well. Cowards do tend to live longer."


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#45 2007-03-26 3:50 pm

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Re: grrr... humanity is pathetic

C. Ives wrote:

Someone who wants to live.

...by utilizing the press to shame a family member?  I cannot even fathom doing such a thing.


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#46 2007-03-26 4:04 pm

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Re: grrr... humanity is pathetic

Well the day time "talk"shows make their living off it so apparently there are quite a few people willing to take a private matter and have someone do an exposé on it.


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#47 2007-03-26 4:26 pm

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Re: grrr... humanity is pathetic

"Judge not, lest ye be judged."
— Matthew 7:1

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#48 2007-03-26 5:28 pm

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Re: grrr... humanity is pathetic

Alien wrote:

"Judge not, lest ye be judged."
— Matthew 7:1

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Considering that we're all going to be judged anyways, that verse doesnt apply to anything tongue

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