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#1 2007-04-28 3:04 pm

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DW & FW on a Mac

I am seriously thinking of making the switch from PC to Mac. I have posted a few questions in the Baloon Forum about Macs in general, but I would like to get some feedback regarding my software running on a Mac.

I am a web guy who works primarily in Dreamweaver, Fireworks & PhotoShop. Is there anyone out there who can give me an idea on how well these programs run on a Mac. I have heard that DW & FW run slower on a Mac.

Any issues I should know about before I make the switch?

Thanks.

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#2 2007-04-28 4:07 pm

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Re: DW & FW on a Mac

I've found that Dreamweaver is a dog on a 1GHz G4 Mac.  Mind you, I'm a text editor guy so I have no patience.  DW isn't exactly great on Windows either, but it seems to run faster on a Windows machine in my experience.  Perhaps it's because the Windows machine I was using for a stint was 2GHz or so.   I should also probably add that I have tried DW on both platforms and while I really like having the O'Reilly references built-in, I much prefer to use text editors on both platforms because I'm not a patient man.

Photoshop is the opposite.  PS feels sluggish on a PC but pretty snappy on a Mac.  And the PC had a much higher clock speed.  I don't know what it is, but PS (and Illustrator) felt slow and clunky on Windows. 

I have no considerable experience with Fireworks, but the few times I've used it, it seems fine on a Mac.  (My typical operations in FW involve saving png files that were otherwise prepared in PS.)

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#3 2007-04-28 7:37 pm

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Re: DW & FW on a Mac

It also depends if you're getting a new (read:intel-based) mac or purchasing a used power PC model - and if you're getting the new CS3 versions of those apps. i've been using at least DW 8 and PS CS on my MacBook Pro, and they're both on the slow side. However, when I ran the PS CS3 beta, it was amazingly fast. I haven't had the chance to see how DW runs - anyone gotten a hold of it yet?

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#4 2007-04-29 1:37 am

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Re: DW & FW on a Mac

I run DW MX on a 6 year old Dual 500 G4 with no problems. I have stop using it for the bulk of my work in the last few years though because I just use a text editor and FTP client now.

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#5 2007-04-29 4:30 am

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Re: DW & FW on a Mac

I've had DW 8 on a macbook pro (2.33Ghz, 2GB) and it doesn't seem as zippy as most things, but it is running under rosetta. I'd say it's comparable to running word on this machine (again, under rosetta).
I haven't done as much as I might, but I've spent about 7 hours in it, tweaking lots of php, and DW seemed up to the task.


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#6 2007-04-29 9:55 am

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Re: DW & FW on a Mac

Thanks to all for your input.  I will be receiving the new CS3 versions of DW, FW & PS soon so I will be able to see how they perform on my 3 year old PC with 1 GB RAM.

I get a new computer every 3 years or so. When I do it it is usually latest technology (but not bleeding edge).  So I suspect I will be looking at an iMac 20" or so.

My next PC was going to have 2GB RAM. I am sure that I would also get 2GB RAM on a Mac.

Apple RAM prices are a bit steep. If I were to get an iMac should I have Apple load it up with RAM or get the minimum & buy additional thrid party RAM?

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#7 2007-04-29 4:41 pm

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Re: DW & FW on a Mac

Intel Mac + 2GB RAM + CS3 = Adobe apps faster than you thought possible.

Apple's HDD and RAM prices are ridiculous. If you're considering an iMac, I'm not certain how easy it is to replace/upgrade the guts of that system, so I don't know how to advise you; but if you're planning to get a Mac Pro, replacing/adding HDD/RAM to that system is ridiculously simple, and I would highly recommend getting the minimum from Apple and shopping at Newegg or OWC for your upgrades.


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#8 2007-04-29 5:11 pm

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Re: DW & FW on a Mac

Thanks JustG,

but if you're planning to get a Mac Pro, replacing/adding HDD/RAM to that system is ridiculously simple, and I would highly recommend getting the minimum from Apple and shopping at Newegg or OWC for your upgrades.

You answered an important question before I had a chance to ask. I noticed that RAM prices are high. So a minimumly configured Pac Pro might be the way to go.

I do have a NICE 21" Trinitron monitor on my current Dell PC. Can I assume that Mac drivers are out there somewhere so I could use this monitor? 

In fact that is one question I have had:  Do Macs have "plug & play" ability like the PC's or do you have to search/hope that hardware drivers are available for download?

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#9 2007-04-29 7:35 pm

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Re: DW & FW on a Mac

Sonoran-

It depends on the device. Like your monitor - odds are, yes, it will just plug in and work. You just have to be sure you have the right connector for your new Mac ( VGA vs DVI, etc...) If your printer is more than about a year old, it should also just plug in and work. Apple puts (most popular) printer drivers into the OS itself, so unless it's newish, you should be good to go. Most things will work at a basic level, too - third party keyboards, external hard drives, etc, when you plug it in, but you will have to install drivers for full functionality. Good luck!

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#10 2007-04-30 8:28 am

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Re: DW & FW on a Mac

The only thing I'll add to chipper's response is that I'm actually using a 21" CRT with my Mac Pro as well, with no problems. It's the NEC MultiSync FE2111SB. My Mac Pro came with a VGA-to-DVI adapter in the box, so I was able to easily hook up my monitor. Works a treat.

Hope that helps.


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#11 2007-04-30 9:45 am

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Re: DW & FW on a Mac

Heck, my MacBook Pro came with a VGA-to-DVI adaptor. If you have a higher-end machine, and it has a DVI port, you probably got that adaptor. If not, they're cheap-ish at the Apple Store (~$30 as I recall).

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#12 2007-04-30 10:28 am

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Re: DW & FW on a Mac

I might add that the Mac Pros have the ability for dual monitors right out of the box (well, except you might have to get another cable). I was spoiled the minute I added a second monitor (which is especially nice for DW).


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#13 2007-04-30 11:15 am

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Re: DW & FW on a Mac

...Mac Pros have the ability for dual monitors right out of the box ...

How hard is it to dual monitor an iMac?

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#14 2007-04-30 11:33 pm

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Re: DW & FW on a Mac

If you have one of the Intel iMacs (can't say with the G5 model) you need a Mini-DVI to VGA adaptor. I checked the specs on the iMac here:

http://www.apple.com/imac/specs.html

And more specifically, here:

http://www.apple.com/imac/graphics.html

(Check the bottom of the page) - it looks like you just need to by the adaptor.

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#15 2007-04-30 11:34 pm

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Re: DW & FW on a Mac

here is the page on the adaptor - it's only $19:

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/W … m=M9320G/A

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#16 2007-05-01 10:19 am

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Re: DW & FW on a Mac

Severl of you mentioned that you use a text editor for development.

What is a good HTML/CSS editor for the Mac?

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#17 2007-05-01 11:53 am

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Re: DW & FW on a Mac

There's an FAQ at the top of this forum with just that information...

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#18 2007-05-02 6:53 pm

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Re: DW & FW on a Mac

Sonoran wrote:

Severl of you mentioned that you use a text editor for development.

What is a good HTML/CSS editor for the Mac?

Textmate
SubEthaEdit
Coda
BBEdit
TextWrangler

TextEdit <-- in your Applications folder

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#19 2007-05-02 7:13 pm

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Re: DW & FW on a Mac

If you work with CSS a lot, you'll want to check out CSSEdit. It is a truly awesome application, and it will actually help you learn CSS. And if you already know it, it will help you work much more quickly.

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#20 2007-05-03 3:46 pm

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Re: DW & FW on a Mac

skEdit. $25 license with lifetime upgrades. Registration entitles you to test the beta, if that's your cuppa. Awesome, because v4.0 beta truly rocks (it's a complete overhaul).


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#21 2007-05-04 9:40 am

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Re: DW & FW on a Mac

If 4.0 ever comes out... I own a license of that and really like it, but the more I get to know TextMate the less I use skEdit. There are some things like tag auto closing with </ that I wish TextMate would do but otherwise there's nothing in skEdit that isn't in TextMate (aside from the graphical FTP client - but its not that great to have integrated IMHO).

I'm liking Textmate more and more as well because it understands a lot more syntaxes and has some syntax hinting as well...

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#22 2007-05-04 10:57 pm

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Re: DW & FW on a Mac

Hmmm....

I have been playing with DW CS3, and I really haven't noticed much different about it.  The interface is the exactly the same.  There are some new .js widgets in the insert panel, and they use the "Spry" framework.  Nothing impressive.   

It is still very sluggish.  Resizing the work window has a very visible slow redraw.  (MacBookPro with 2GB and DW and Safari are the only things running.)  It should perform much better than that. 

It is almost twice the size though.  The last version is only 190mb vs 366mb.  (though that may be because of the UB)

I was really hoping it would get an Adobe interface makeover.  Maybe in the next version.


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#23 2007-05-05 6:54 pm

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Re: DW & FW on a Mac

Scott - Thanks for the info. I've been debating whether or not DW would be worth the upgrade - apparently not. It was the performance that I was hoping would improve, but you (and you're not alone) are saying it's not that great, huh?

I'm moving more to Textmate/Transmit/CSSEdit anyway.

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#24 2007-05-16 9:24 pm

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Re: DW & FW on a Mac

Sigh...

The demos are available now.  Just downloaded FWCS3 (the one I have been waiting for).  Huge freaking disappointment.

Couple of new features, nothing major, though the 9-slice scaling is nice.  Nested folders are slick. (haven't spent a lot of time with it, so there may be some stuff I have missed). 

A couple of UI fixes that I have found so far (pallets resize when closing stacked pallets, which is very helpful).  But also some new ui bugs.  The form fields in the auto shape box appear to be invisible... works fine, just can't see the fields.  Still can't use mouse wheel in the layers pallet... grr....

Still craps out with huge files.  Granted, it isn't designed for that.  But I like the drawing interface in FW over AI, so I use it for all vector illustration, and often I will scale it up for hires output.  I know it isn't designed for that, but it would be nice if it could handle big images.

But mainly, there is no noticeable speed boost!?!?!  It has gone UB, so it is not running in Rosetta any more.  In PS, the performance difference is instantly apparent.  Seems the same in FW. 

And that alone sucks because the app is now huge to accommodate both binaries and as with all Adobe apps it now install a smurfload of stuff I never need or use.  The installer (just FW, not a bundle version), said it requires 1.1gb of disk space!  As opposed to the 300ish with the last version.   And it didn't give me an option to deselect crap.


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