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#1 2007-09-26 7:08 pm

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Sonnet Install

So, I just bought a Duet 1.8ghz off of ebay.  I've read sort of conflicting reports on the firmware updater.  Does it need to be run from OS9 (if so...I'll have to get to work finding myself an OS 9 disc)?  Any other info I should know before I jump to installing it when it comes?

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#2 2007-09-26 11:36 pm

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Re: Sonnet Install

I think you need to boot from an OS 9 CD to run the updater, yeah.

Otherwise, just the usual rules of thumb:

1) Check Sonnet's web site for any updated directions
2) follow them very carefully'

That goes double for the Firmware Update directions.


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#3 2007-09-26 11:38 pm

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Re: Sonnet Install

I'm going to need to locate an OS9 CD rather quickly.  No sense letting my $350 present to myself just sit around.

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#4 2007-09-27 5:46 pm

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Re: Sonnet Install

Think you'll need to boot off the original CPU for OS9. Funny thing about 47s and OS9, unless the multiprocessing extensions folder is removed, it won't boot right. These are included on OS9 boot CDs too so your stuck there still.

This is the one big flaw I don't like about the new 47/48s because for me I have a lot of utilities for booting that require OS9 and all the disks have that stupid folder on them. Then also these upgrades don't work with X.3.2 or earlier so remember don't use those disks to boot on.


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#5 2007-09-27 7:00 pm

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Re: Sonnet Install

Yeah, I need to boot off of OS9 to use the Sonnet firmware updater.  I'm assuming this updater addresses the issues mentioned about the compatibility problems.....

I guess I'll track down an OS9 disk, install that to one of my hard drives that is almost empty, boot from it and run the firmware updater.

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#6 2007-09-27 8:13 pm

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Re: Sonnet Install

pkmgarf wrote:

Yeah, I need to boot off of OS9 to use the Sonnet firmware updater.  I'm assuming this updater addresses the issues mentioned about the compatibility problems.....

I guess I'll track down an OS9 disk, install that to one of my hard drives that is almost empty, boot from it and run the firmware updater.

You won't need to install - just boot form the CD and run the updater, which can be safely ensconced on your HD.


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#7 2007-09-27 11:09 pm

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Re: Sonnet Install

Oh...okay.  I guess actually installing OS9 wouldn't be necessary.  Nonetheless....I need to get hunting for a disc.

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#8 2007-09-28 6:45 am

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Re: Sonnet Install

Anyone dabbling with older hardware should have a rounded-out collection of OS's for just thi sort of thing.

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#9 2007-10-01 11:14 pm

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Re: Sonnet Install

So, I got back to my dorm room to find my freshly delivered Sonnet Duet.  Needless to say, the first thing I did was drop all of the clean clothes that I should have put away, and started on my project.

First, I looked into the firmware update a little more.  I found an application on Sonnet's website that will run in OS X and update the firmware.  Great.  Now my firmware is up to date (4.2.8f).  Next, I ripped the old card out (which was deceivingly easy) and slapped the new one on.

Everything booted up fine and ASP shows the system as a dual 1.8ghz.  However, the processors are reported as 7455 in Xbench, which they are not.   Oh well...I ran the test and the results were as expected.  Photoshop and Illustrator also took a lot less time to load (Photoshop went from 33 seconds to 19, Illustrator went from 31 seconds to 21 seconds). 

Now is where the fun begins.  I started using regular apps (Safari, iTunes, etc), and everything seemed fine at first.  However, then stuff started freezing and I had to relaunch Finder a few times.  Nothing is very stable.  Unreal Tournament crashes withing a few minutes and it's just a matter of time for other apps to freeze. 

I thought maybe the CPU was overheating, but I don't really have a way to test that.  I ran CPU Test, and there are numerous errors when running a series of about 25 tests.....I'm trying to figure out what the problem is....

Anyone?

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#10 2007-10-01 11:19 pm

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yeah, sounds like it's probably overheating. My dad had almost the exact same problem with a 1.4 GHz G4 upgrade he dropped in his G4, but because he bought it from Sonnet directly (and not on eBay) he was able to exchange it for another, all the same specs, which works rock-solid.

At this point, I would suggest isolating heat as a problem by laying down the side panel and blowing a fan directly on the heat sink. If the crashes get less bad (or, hopefully, go away entirely) then it's time to get creative with a cooling solution.

Alternatively, you could try finding a way to downclock the CPUs to, say, 1.5-1.7 GHz and see if that help.


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#11 2007-10-02 12:05 am

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Re: Sonnet Install

There is something about my nature that doesn't like the term "downclocking."  Creative cooling sounds more like my cup of tea.  Well, I just reinstalled the 500mhz card, rolled back the firmware, and everything is good.  Then, I stuck the Sonnet back in, did NOT update the firmware, and it didn't work at all.  That means the firmware updater worked correctly the first time around. 

Now I have the firmware back up to date and am living with the moody Sonnet for the time being.  Right now, it's time for bed.  I have class tomorrow morning.

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#12 2007-10-02 3:44 am

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Reseat the CPUs first and try again. I had a problem when I dropped in the OEM 867 I got. It worked ya but gave errors. Then I swapped out the CPU again and on the next install it worked.

Bad news for you is, that is a Sonnet upgrade so theres no way you can clock it down if it is indeed heat related. Sonnet frowns on clocking a lot yet has done it to their own upgrades before in the past. I usually avoid their parts but have recommended them to others. Just only to folks who would never touch clocking.

Only thing you can do if it is a problem CPU is ship it into Sonnet for repair. They'll probably box you up a new one if its still under warranty.


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#13 2007-10-02 4:45 am

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Re: Sonnet Install

pkmgarf wrote:

There is something about my nature that doesn't like the term "downclocking."  Creative cooling sounds more like my cup of tea.

Start with downclocking, to find out where the problem is. "Creative cooling" can come later, once the actual issue(s) have been determined.

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#14 2007-10-02 8:37 am

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Re: Sonnet Install

It's supposed to be just under a year old, but I didn't buy it new.  I got it off of eBay (hence the reason I got a Sonnet at all, as the price was right).  Does their warranty transfer to new owners?

**Edit**  I reseated it a few times right after I found the problems....

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#15 2007-10-02 12:35 pm

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Re: Sonnet Install

Another little update.  My Mac has got the nasty little habit of logging me out without me telling it to.  Also, when I go to force quit, sometimes the text is scrambled.  For example, the text at the bottom of the force quit window that says "You can open this window by...." may have every other letter missing.  Still sound heat related?

If it is, and Sonnet's warranty will not transfer to me, anyone have any ideas?  Both of the fans on the heat sink are spinning and moving air....as is the case fan.

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#16 2007-10-02 2:41 pm

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Re: Sonnet Install

pkmgarf wrote:

Another little update.  My Mac has got the nasty little habit of logging me out without me telling it to.  Also, when I go to force quit, sometimes the text is scrambled.  For example, the text at the bottom of the force quit window that says "You can open this window by...." may have every other letter missing.  Still sound heat related?

Yes.

If it is, and Sonnet's warranty will not transfer to me, anyone have any ideas?  Both of the fans on the heat sink are spinning and moving air....as is the case fan.

Fans are not the problem, exactly. Sonnet overclocks most of their chips out the door, but doesn't test them all - or if they do they don't do a very good job of it. In any case, the end products have a certain tendency to... dislike... the higher clock speeds, once in a while. It might not even be a heat issue as much as an" Idon'twanttogothisfast!!!" issue. But heat is more likely.

In which case a gigantic copper aftermarket heat sink and a fan the size of your lawnwmower would solve the problem splendidly.


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#17 2007-10-02 4:45 pm

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Re: Sonnet Install

dvpierce wrote:

" Idon'twanttogothisfast!!!" issue. But heat is more likely.

In which case a gigantic copper aftermarket heat sink and a fan the size of your lawnwmower would solve the problem splendidly.

lmao...

I suppose 1.8ghz is pushing it a little bit hey?  Anyway, I've been talking with Sonnet and the person I bought it from.  Both are being more than cooperative.  Sonnet's rep said that as long as I can get some form of an original receipt or proof of when it was bought (and that it is within three years) they will get me a new one.  The guy I bought it from is checking his records and will get back to me as soon as he knows.  He mentioned that it may have been Sonnet's website, so I'm having their rep check their records.

As far as the big fan and big heat sink issue....the heat sink is already the copper one, and I don't know how well Sonnet's chip would like me taking it off.  I may have to invest in a lawnmower sized fan though.  My tower is sitting in one of those "barely big enough" cubbies in a desk and next to it (in that same cubby) is an amplifier (1979 Onkyo) which is standing on end, as that is the only way I could get it to fit anywhere...gotta love dorm rooms.

Anyway, the two of those pieces combined expel enough heat to warm up a nice big bowl of ramen....not to mention the 7447's run hot as it is....

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#18 2007-10-02 10:38 pm

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Well the 47s actually should run rather cool compared to others. I've had 750FX and 7455 G4s which ran hotter than 47s. To be safe, avoid removing the heatsink and let Sonnet mess with it. I forget their policies but I remember one of the companies had some stupid clause on their warranty which voided it if the sink was removed. Course you can't clock Sonnets so theres no real reason to remove them anyways.


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#19 2007-10-02 10:54 pm

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Re: Sonnet Install

Yeah.  I was thinking more along the lines of getting the new one and seeing how it responds to my sort of restrictive location that the tower is in. If it still is running hot, I'll deal with extra cooling then.

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#20 2007-10-03 1:00 am

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Re: Sonnet Install

pkmgarf wrote:

Yeah.  I was thinking more along the lines of getting the new one and seeing how it responds to my sort of restrictive location that the tower is in. If it still is running hot, I'll deal with extra cooling then.

In that case, you'd want more airflow, not a bigger heat sink - so your warranty is safe anyway.

Good luck getting the replacement.


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