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Alien wrote:

D'Eyncourt wrote:

Hah! You want to use logic when arguing against the RIAA?

Obviously not.

7-8 million P2P users per month.
100 million iPods sold. In total.

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With 8 million people using p2p progams per month, how big could the total user base be?  How many of those users don't own iPod?  These are the relevant numbers.

And just to venture a guess, I am going to say that the total user base is 3x the monthly users, and that 2/3 of these people have iPod.  (just wild guesses to make a point - tweak them if you must).  So that leaves us with:

24 million total p2p users, of which
16 million who have iPods.

Which means that with those assumptions, of the 100 million iPods sold, 16% of them are owned by someone who has used p2p.  That's a far cry from the claims being made by the RIAA that all iPods are repositories for stolen music, even factoring in the variablities in the assumptions.

so if i was her lawyer... first i would have tried the "what if her 11 year old had installed the software without her knowing..."   and if that didn't work, i'd see how many american indians were on the jury and if there weren't any, call the racism card...

Freezer mac wrote:

so if i was her lawyer... first i would have tried the "what if her 11 year old had installed the software without her knowing..."
[snip]

In essence, already tried. Her lawyer advanced the hypothesis that someone else was spoofing her IP address, but the RIAA lawyers countered that argument showing that someone using her account was logged in at the time (and, presumably, they had already established that she hadn't given her password to her kid).

D'Eyncourt wrote:

Freezer mac wrote:

so if i was her lawyer... first i would have tried the "what if her 11 year old had installed the software without her knowing..."
[snip]

In essence, already tried. Her lawyer advanced the hypothesis that someone else was spoofing her IP address, but the RIAA lawyers countered that argument showing that someone using her account was logged in at the time (and, presumably, they had already established that she hadn't given her password to her kid).

at 11, i already was able to bypass my parents passwords... its not all that difficult.

Beowulf wrote:

Zander wrote:

In honor of this event I am going to download more music.

And movies.

Ribtorus wrote:

This doesn't even seem close to reasonable.

It should not be up to the recipient of copyright material to decide if its distribution  has or hasn't met the terms of the copyright. That's a concern for the distributor. And I don't think playing music loud enough for others to hear constitutes "distribution", either.
Fair use.

This is one of the reasons that music entering my playback equipment, by whatever means, is legal where I live. I hope it stays that way.

Are you talking about the other thread with what constitutes a public performance.

And just so there's less confusion, the title should read "220 Thousand", not million.

Pariah wrote:

elpato84 wrote:

And just so there's less confusion, the title should read "220 Thousand", not million.

"M" indicates thousands in certain contexts. In printing if you write 15m on a job order you are asking for 15,000.

?

Wouldn't that be "k"?

At any rate, any amount is too much as far as I'm concerned.

Something's got to give with this crazy setup.

Pariah wrote:

elpato84 wrote:

And just so there's less confusion, the title should read "220 Thousand", not million.

"M" indicates thousands in certain contexts. In printing if you write 15m on a job order you are asking for 15,000.

I've never seen that.
I've seen lower case "k" represent thousand, I'm seen lower case "m" represent 10^-3 - I've seen upper case M represent 10^6 - I've never seen upper case M represent 10^3

If the print industry represents a factor of a thousand with a "m" or "M" that would be the first I've ever seen it - and it probably shouldn't be done, as there is a standard way to represent a kilo of something.

That may be true in printing - but that has nothing to do with the thread title, which is not for a printing job.

I've never heard of that either, and I would say that most people have not as well.  Using K instead of M would certainly clear up the ambiguity. 

On the other hand, I might have some idea of where it came from.  M is the roman numeral for 1,000.

EDIT: should've hit refresh.

Last edited by Mr. T (2007-10-13 12:20 pm)

MyMac8MyPC wrote:

Alien wrote:

What she did is illegal, and she got caught. I fail to see the problem. The "quality" of the material involved is irrelevant.

Very well said!

henebry wrote:

I have on occasion traded CDs with friends, but that's the limit of my abuse

What you did is not illegal and covered under Section 1008 of the law.

I take it to mean that he traded CDs with his friends for importing into each-other's iTunes libraries.  I could be wrong though...

Last edited by Mr. T (2007-10-13 1:15 pm)