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Freakout Jackson wrote:

Chickenhawk wrote:

jerwin wrote:

Carbon Monoxide is a poison. It kills at low partial pressures. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any obvious use for it. It's a greenhouse gas, about three times as powerful as carbon dioxide, but because there's so little about, it's negligible. With the right fuel air mixture and catalytic converters, much of it can be eliminated.

Carbon Dioxide is useful-- it's used in photosynthesis. Total elimination of carbon dioxide would starve the plants, and reduce the planet to a frozen iceball. There's too much of it though, so it tends to heat up the planet.

An engine that emits almost no carbon monoxide or other classical pollutants may never the less be emitting large quantities of greenhouse gasses. To focus on the "poison" ignores the larger issues.

It' a stupid analogy because it breaks down at a fundamental level. The mechanisms at work are completely different.

CO2 is also poisonous. It will kill you for toxic reasons far below the concentrations required for asphyxiation. Even with a 100% clean internal combustion engine, being in a closed garage with no ventilation, the idling car will kill you.

Save your breath ::snicker:: like much of the naysayers, he'll argue details till he's blue in the face ::snickr:: and refuse to look at the bigger picture come hell of high water ::snicker::

That's right suckers. I'm a denialist.

CO2 PEL: 5,000 ppm
CO PEL: 50 ppm

ScifiterX wrote:

A substance in the air that can provably acidify water, kill you if you breathe it in sufficient quantities, and (at least in laboratory conditions) increase greenhouse potential we probably should limit how much we add to the atmosphere anyway.

Chickenhawk wrote:

Its not as lethal as CO, but it sure as hell still is toxic.

Concentrations of 10% CO2 or more can produce unconsciousness or death. In
high concentrations may cause asphyxiation. Symptoms may include loss of
mobility/consciousness.Victim may not be aware of asphyxiation. Asphyxiation
may bring about unconsciousness without warning and so rapidly that victim
may be unable to protect themselves.

10% CO2 is what? 100,000 ppm?

user wrote:

sturner wrote:

What about the problem of hydrogenized oxygen? It kills lots of people!

We are currently working to make it less attractive to people so that it will be less of a problem.

This will severely limit several important businesses, entertainment venues, and upset health officials.

jondaris wrote:

Al Gore has won the Nobel Peace prize for his work on raising awareness of global warming.

Now the big question: will he run? I highly doubt it, but I wish he would.

reminds me of another "gloom and doom" person who received rewards...

Paul Ehrlich's best-selling book "The Population Bomb" (1968) gave England a 50-50 chance of surviving into the 21st century. Mr. Ehrlich, whose every prediction turned out wrong, won a MacArthur Foundation "genius award".

people in 10 years will realize what a hack al gore is and all of this "we're going to die by 2050" crap.

people in the 60's were claiming we'd be walking around in gas masks by 2000.

The The New York Times has a global warming election guide
I found Tancredo's entry most illuminating

SAYS THERE IS NO SCIENTIFIC CONSENSUS ON GLOBAL WARMING; BLAMES IMMIGRATION
I have no doubt that global warming exists. I just question the cause and what we can do to ameliorate it. But I wonder why the Sierra Club isn't going crazy about the environmental aspects of massive immigration into the U.S. The fact is, Americans consume more energy than anyone else, so if a person moves here from another country, they automatically become bigger polluters.
-- Time, May 31, 2007

Last edited by jerwin (2007-10-17 11:42 am)

I hear Gas Masks are often used in deviant sexual fetishes - so if we legalize gay marriage, it will cause the complete moral downfall of this upright country and gas masks will be the norm.



Seriously though - I think in 35 years we'll be in a global cooling scare again.

ScifiterX wrote:

And how'd you figure out the army was full of sexual deviants?

I like to watch MASH - and I've heard some of the Jodie's.