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#1 2007-11-25 1:10 pm
- u4ick
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Sloooow Leopard
Installed Leopard on primary disk drive (backed up) and it works ok but is very, very, very, slow.
Not unusal for it to take 120 seconds to open a file, or go to the dock, or the finder, or disk utility. When it gets a action finished the mouse moves quickly until I click on something else. There is lots of disk space for it to use.
Suggestions?
I can go back to 10.4.11 by working at it (starts out not seeing my other drive). And will stay with the old system until I get a better plan.
My set up is:
Power Mac dual G5 at 2 GHz and 2 GB Memory
ATI card in AGP Slot 1 X800 XT Radieon / 256 MB
Mac OSX 10.5.1 or 10.4.11
Apple key board and Logitech wireless mouse
Apple 23 inch DVI cinema display
Switchview DVI
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#2 2007-11-25 1:21 pm
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Re: Sloooow Leopard
My guess is the PowerPC part. The only reason people are saying leopard is faster is because they have Core2Duo, 64 bit machines that Leopard takes advantage of. Anything older is slow. Especially PowerPC.
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#3 2007-11-25 2:18 pm
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Re: Sloooow Leopard
McAddict wrote:
My guess is the PowerPC part...
Uhhhh I don't think so. Sounds to me like it was just a borked install. Run it again and do an archive install this time. Unless you're willing to back up the whole thing, wipe it and install nice n clean.
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#4 2007-11-25 3:07 pm
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Re: Sloooow Leopard
Spotlight indexing...
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Not screaming like all the passengers in his car.
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#5 2007-11-25 5:03 pm
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Re: Sloooow Leopard
Yeah, look at the upper right corner of your monitor. Does the magnifying glass icon have a pulsing black dot? If so, your machine is indexing itself. Don't put it to sleep or shut it down, let it finish over the course of the day.
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#6 2007-11-25 5:52 pm
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Re: Sloooow Leopard
McAddict wrote:
My guess is the PowerPC part. The only reason people are saying leopard is faster is because they have Core2Duo, 64 bit machines that Leopard takes advantage of. Anything older is slow. Especially PowerPC.
Uhhhh, no. I have the same machine, although I have 6GB RAM, and Leopard is faster than Tiger overall. And guess what, my PowerPC is 64bit as well and has a faster FSB and memory system, so 
The only current machines that have faster memory and/or FSB is the Mac Pro and faster G5 PowerMacs.
I would suggest a clean install; I always do that on major point revisions.
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#7 2007-11-25 6:06 pm
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Re: Sloooow Leopard
Well before the guy hoses eeevery thing he should at least make sure Leopard has concluded it's Spotlight indexing and or TimeMachine backup. Both of those things slowed me down at first.
Moreover, Leopard has a nasty habit of rebuilding Spotlight's index from scratch. I have has Spotlight index my entire harddrive twice since I installed Leopard. A few other people have reported this problem.
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#8 2007-11-25 6:47 pm
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Re: Sloooow Leopard
McAddict wrote:
My guess is the PowerPC part. The only reason people are saying leopard is faster is because they have Core2Duo, 64 bit machines that Leopard takes advantage of. Anything older is slow. Especially PowerPC.
Nopers.
Leopard runs just fine and dandy on my old G4 upgraded to 900mhz. Something is wrong here but not the hardware that's for sure.
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#9 2007-11-25 6:51 pm
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Re: Sloooow Leopard
Go to Applications>Utilities>Activity Monitor>%CPU, then Real Memory, and type the names of the processes that numbers are much higher than the rest.
Thanks for clicking.
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#10 2007-11-26 11:58 am
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Re: Sloooow Leopard
Thanks for all the suggestions.
Update:
Still very slow.
Let the machine run all night and no change. Still very slow.
Have re-installed twice now and no change.
Suggestons??
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#11 2007-11-26 12:56 pm
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Re: Sloooow Leopard
FutureDreamz wrote:
Go to Applications>Utilities>Activity Monitor>%CPU, then Real Memory, and type the names of the processes that numbers are much higher than the rest.
I second this diagnostic method.
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#12 2007-11-26 12:59 pm
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Re: Sloooow Leopard
McAddict wrote:
My guess is the PowerPC part. The only reason people are saying leopard is faster is because they have Core2Duo, 64 bit machines that Leopard takes advantage of. Anything older is slow. Especially PowerPC.
Total bullsmurf. TOTAL
I have leopard running on my D2.3 G5 Powermac and my 1.5 G4 Powerbook ... Both run faster with leopard than with tiger.
2.66Ghz QuadCore-Nehalem w/24"LED CD ---2.2Ghz BlackMB---15" 2.4Ghz MBP(work)
Dual 2.3Ghz G5 (4G Ram, 2x 250G HD)(10.5 server)--- 400Mhz G4 PM (10.4 Server)
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#13 2007-11-26 4:40 pm
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Re: Sloooow Leopard
McAddict wrote:
My guess is the PowerPC part. The only reason people are saying leopard is faster is because they have Core2Duo, 64 bit machines that Leopard takes advantage of. Anything older is slow. Especially PowerPC.
Do you have any facts to back-up that statement?
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#14 2007-11-26 4:49 pm
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Re: Sloooow Leopard
Another update:
Re-started leopard. Again -- makes 5th time. Grey screen comes up normally, spinning wheel noraml and then purple/black screen comes on and things get real slow. 8 minutes to get tool bar for finder. Disk sounds like it is working hard. Spotlight appears to be indexing all the time. Even though the machinge was on all night -- 380 GB drives split into 5 disks. 3 minutes to open folder. 9 minutes to get to Activity Monitor.
Looking at all processes find the following:
Kernal task .7 cpu, 47 threads, 921 real memory and 1.24GB in virtual memory
next was
launhd 0.0 cpu, 3 threads, 556 rm, 686 vm
next
auto fsd, 0.0 cpu, 3 threads, 676 rm, 586 vm
next
configd 0.0 cpu, 3 threads, 1.68 rm, 586vm
I now have two Previous systems on the leopard disk.
Suggestions????
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#15 2007-11-26 4:58 pm
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Re: Sloooow Leopard
Let the indexing continue for a few hours.
You can speed things up by erasing those Previous System folders.
You can also enhance privacy as well as adding a tiny bit of speed with the System Preferences / Spotlight panel. Add folders to the list of "do not index."
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#16 2007-11-26 6:00 pm
Re: Sloooow Leopard
Could also be half broken hard drive... (I hope not)
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#17 2007-11-26 6:18 pm
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Re: Sloooow Leopard
unmount every volume except for the boot volume and see if it gets any better
2.66Ghz QuadCore-Nehalem w/24"LED CD ---2.2Ghz BlackMB---15" 2.4Ghz MBP(work)
Dual 2.3Ghz G5 (4G Ram, 2x 250G HD)(10.5 server)--- 400Mhz G4 PM (10.4 Server)
1.5GHz Powerbook---1.6Ghz G5 iMac
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#18 2007-11-26 8:41 pm
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Re: Sloooow Leopard
This is going to sound crazy but..empty your trash. I have seen having a large number of files from different volumes in the trash slow down a Mac.
I have no idea why this might be but I swear it happens if you have lots in the trash and multiple volumes.
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#19 2007-11-28 1:42 pm
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Re: Sloooow Leopard
Update #2
Hard drive with OSX 10.4.11 failed. Working on a replace and restore. Afterwards I will test Leopard. It was backuped the afternoon before the failure whew!!
Don't know is this was related to slooooow Leopard since Leopard is on a different disk.
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#20 2007-11-28 2:14 pm
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Re: Sloooow Leopard
my girl friend's laptop failed ... when we booted of off her backup external it literarily took 30 minutes to be fully booted and was slow VERY slow at doing anything, I unmounted the faulty drive and bingo it was a fast as expected.
2.66Ghz QuadCore-Nehalem w/24"LED CD ---2.2Ghz BlackMB---15" 2.4Ghz MBP(work)
Dual 2.3Ghz G5 (4G Ram, 2x 250G HD)(10.5 server)--- 400Mhz G4 PM (10.4 Server)
1.5GHz Powerbook---1.6Ghz G5 iMac
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#21 2007-12-03 9:14 am
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Re: Sloooow Leopard
Update:
Replaced OEM disk drive with new 500 GB DiamondMax SATA and Leopard now works. Lots of other problems with Leopard but not ones that are hardware caused. Will continue to use Tiger until more software updates come out.
Thanks for all the suggestions and help!!!
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#22 2007-12-03 5:49 pm
Re: Sloooow Leopard
With only reading the first few posts :
I'm running Leopard on a PPC Mac Mini with 512mb of Ram and 2 gigs free disk space. The only time I get a real slowdown is in the event I have photos importing into iPhoto and iTunes running at the same time. All it takes is shutting down everything I'm not really using.
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#23 2007-12-05 2:01 pm
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Re: Sloooow Leopard
I was going to also suggest a borked hard drive, but too late I guess.
BTW, saying Leopard will be slow on PPC Macs is complete nonsense. Besides the mess that is Leopard's X11, I have no complaints and my 933MHz iBook is purring along just just as smooth if not better than with Tiger.
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