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#1 2007-11-23 10:26 pm
- MrJ in OZ
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iWaste and iToxins
Idono if this goes here or not, anyway,
Nokia, Sony Ericsson, and Motorola have both removed some of the worst chemicals from their phones and identified extra toxic chemicals they intend to remove in the future -- even beyond the minimal legal requirements.
Nokia and Sony Ericsson have a global take-back policy for their phones and accept their responsibility to reuse and recycle the phones they manufacture. That saves resources and helps prevent old phones ending up as e-waste dumped in Asia
Other companies have set a date to remove PVC from their products. Apple hasn't. Major new product lines like the iPod nano and MacBook still contain PVC
Moreover, brominated fire retardants are carcinogenic and used in some apple products where sony has agreed to ban them altogether. I don't keep up to date with apple products, but Im sure some others of you do. Ive read many of articles about iPod and iPhone toxins and potential for waste and contamination (such as above).
I refuse to buy an iPhone until apple steps up. So, has apple done anything about it lately?
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*Fallacy at its zenith kids.* "Who is this "we" you keep talking about? What price have "you" paid for this war? Blah, Blah. Its hardly a "we" proposition."
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#2 2007-11-23 11:17 pm
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Re: iWaste and iToxins
MrJ in OZ wrote:
...I don't keep up to date...
It's not worth it.
Greenpeace takes Apple to task on iPhone
Apple sued based on Greenpeace report
Chemical industry defends Apple
MacNN: Greenpeace to show up at Euro iPhone debut
It's like Israel v Palestine. You're evil. No YOU are. No YOU are. There's a new story like every week and now I'm so confused I just don't give a smurf.
I remember when I used to actually believe Greenpeace could accomplish something. Now it's all press manipulation and I dunno if they actually know what they're talking about or if they just want to come up with something that might make the news.
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#3 2007-11-23 11:31 pm
Re: iWaste and iToxins
pottymouth wrote:
MrJ in OZ wrote:
...I don't keep up to date...
It's not worth it.
Greenpeace takes Apple to task on iPhone
Apple sued based on Greenpeace report
Chemical industry defends Apple
MacNN: Greenpeace to show up at Euro iPhone debut
It's like Israel v Palestine. You're evil. No YOU are. No YOU are. There's a new story like every week and now I'm so confused I just don't give a smurf.
I remember when I used to actually believe Greenpeace could accomplish something. Now it's all press manipulation and I dunno if they actually know what they're talking about or if they just want to come up with something that might make the news.
Greenpeace Responds to Alarmist Claims, Admits Targeting Apple Grabs Headlines
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#4 2007-11-24 12:56 am
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Re: iWaste and iToxins
MrJ in OZ wrote:
I refuse to buy an iPhone until apple steps up
I refuse to buy one because there is a good Canadian alternative.
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#5 2007-11-24 8:21 am
Re: iWaste and iToxins
MrJ in OZ wrote:
Moreover, brominated fire retardants are carcinogenic and used in some apple products where sony has agreed to ban them altogether. I don't keep up to date with apple products, but Im sure some others of you do. Ive read many of articles about iPod and iPhone toxins and potential for waste and contamination (such as above).
I refuse to buy an iPhone until apple steps up. So, has apple done anything about it lately?
Well, there's this. But as I remember that particular open letter was released some time ago, but I don't think it got nearly as much attention as those Greenpeace clowns.
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#6 2007-11-24 8:33 am
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http://www.apple.com/hotnews/agreenerapple/
Oh, and specifically from that...
Some companies have made promises to phase out other toxic chemicals like polyvinyl chloride (PVC), a type of plastic primarily used in the construction industry but also found in computer parts and cables, and brominated flame retardants, or BFRs, which reduce the risk of fire. Apple began phasing out PVC twelve years ago and began restricting BFRs in 2001. For the past several years, we have been developing alternative materials that can replace these chemicals without compromising the safety or quality of our products. Today, we’ve successfully eliminated the largest applications of PVC and BFRs in our products, and we’re close to eliminating these chemicals altogether. For example, more than three million iPods have already shipped with a BFR-free laminate on their logic boards.
Dell and Lenovo have publicly stated that they plan to eliminate the use of PVC and BFRs in their products in 2009. Hewlett Packard has not yet publicly stated when they will eliminate the use of PVC and BFRs in their products, but has said that they will publish a plan by the end of 2007 which will state when in the future they will eliminate the use of these toxic chemicals in their products.
Apple plans to completely eliminate the use of PVC and BFRs in its products by the end of 2008.
A note of comparison — In 2007 HP stated that they will remove PVC from all their packaging. Apple did this 12 years ago. Last year, Dell began the process of phasing out large quantities of brominated flame retardants in large plastic enclosure parts. Apple’s plastic enclosure parts have been bromine-free since 2002.
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#7 2007-11-25 7:00 pm
- MrJ in OZ
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Re: iWaste and iToxins
iPhones are still designed poorly for deconstruction. Their batteries are difficult to replace making it more likely they end up as leaking waste in landfills.
I find it quite distasteful that a company so well known for is product design and engineering didn't even take account of such things. Idono, perhaps its just a ways for apple to money grub.
*Fallacy at its zenith kids.* "Who is this "we" you keep talking about? What price have "you" paid for this war? Blah, Blah. Its hardly a "we" proposition."
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#8 2007-11-25 7:04 pm
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Re: iWaste and iToxins
MrJ in OZ wrote:
iPhones are still designed poorly for deconstruction. Their batteries are difficult to replace making it more likely they end up as leaking waste in landfills.
I find it quite distasteful that a company so well known for is product design and engineering didn't even take account of such things. Idono, perhaps its just a ways for apple to money grub.
a) you're not supposed to take apart Apple products (except for the main part of the Mac Pro and RAM doors)
b) use Apple's recycling plan.
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#10 2007-11-25 7:36 pm
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ScifiterX wrote:
I did
which one?
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#11 2007-11-26 8:14 pm
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Re: iWaste and iToxins
MrJ in OZ wrote:
iPhones are still designed poorly.....
I'm glad to see you were able to convey your actual agenda.
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#12 2007-11-26 9:04 pm
Re: iWaste and iToxins
FutureDreamz wrote:
a) you're not supposed to take apart Apple products (except for the main part of the Mac Pro and RAM doors)
b) use Apple's recycling plan.
I've taken apart all my computers, including my blueberry imac. Of course, I do it post-warranty.
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