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#26 2007-11-15 5:50 pm

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Re: 10.4.11 is out

F041 wrote:

DeaconMac, can you add the AutoFill button (from View -> Customize Toolbar…) so that you just have to click it to fill everything in?

Thanks for the reply. AutoFill isn't smart enough to fill in all -- or even most -- forms correctly. Often, it just puts up an alert indicating that it can't figure out what the form is asking for. Other times, it fills in some of the fields, but not all of them. And it requires either remembering and using an awkward control key combination or taking one's hands off the keyboard to use the mouse, all of which slows things down considerably.

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#27 2007-11-15 6:11 pm

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Re: 10.4.11 is out

judomeerkat wrote:

F041 wrote:

Wow, SafariStand and Saft already have 10.4.11-compatible versions out.

Can anyone here with 10.4.11 tell me if you can drag a tab out of the tab bay (is there a name for the tab area?) to make it into a new window? I heard this feature was removed with the update. If so, I might stick with 10.4.10.

Testing....


YES! You definitely can still drag a tab down out of the tab bar to create a new window.

Yes, and it is AWESOME.  You can also right/control-click and choose to move it from the contextual menu, or from the Window menu.  I'm not thrilled though that you can't move tabs without bringing them to the front, but it's not a huge deal.

Now we just need some page titles for those tabs... sneaky

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#28 2007-11-15 6:12 pm

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Re: 10.4.11 is out

DeaconMac wrote:

NAG wrote:

It is nice that they included Safari 3.

Not so nice for me. Safari 3.0.4 has removed two key features, the loss of which will result in more than doubling the hours it takes me to get my work done.

Tabs are now the default. That's fine for those who use them, but I don't. I open more than 1,000 web pages every day. Can you image having hundreds of tabs? I use a database application that opens a new URL with each click. It's always opened them in the same, single Safari window, but Safari no longer allows that. Now it's either open a new window or open in a new tab, neither of which makes any sense for me.

Safari 3.0.4 also broke the way AutoFill works to fill in forms. With earlier versions, all I had to do was type the first letter in the first field of a form and nearly all other fields (except birthdate drop boxes) would be filled in automatically. Now typing the first letter in a form field only completes the contents of that field; I have to tab from field to field, typing the first letter in each one, to fill out form. Not much of a concern if you fill out 1 form a day. I fill out over 400 forms every day and this is going to increase the time required by more than half.

Why is it that Apple can't simply improve software? Why do they have to keep breaking it, too?

cmd-shift-A


Thanks for clicking.

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#29 2007-11-15 7:04 pm

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Re: 10.4.11 is out

test wrote:

So far the only general problems I'm hearing about have to do with Safari and plugins. I already knew about this from the Safari 3 betas Apple has released. I don't use Safari so this isn't a big deal for me. Even so, I have this uneasy feeling 10.4.11 will cause actual problems for me. I don't know why I have this feeling but I'm going to respect it for a while.

It broke coconut wifi hmm


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#30 2007-11-15 8:20 pm

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Re: 10.4.11 is out

I don't use any sort of wifi so that specific issue doesn't affect me. But it is in the general realm of problems I hope to avoid - stuff that just shouldn't happen but does and probably will never get fixed.


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#31 2007-11-15 8:50 pm

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Re: 10.4.11 is out

I have it downloaded and installed.  I just don't want to restart yet.

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#32 2007-11-15 9:04 pm

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Re: 10.4.11 is out

I notice no difference at all whatsoever...


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#33 2007-11-16 3:32 pm

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Re: 10.4.11 is out

Graphic Autist wrote:

I notice no difference at all whatsoever...

I thought like you, until I looked in the mirror.   Wow!   I look 10 years younger!

Way to go Apple!


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#34 2007-11-16 4:56 pm

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Re: 10.4.11 is out

Graphic Autist wrote:

I notice no difference at all whatsoever...

It killed Shiira. cry

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#35 2007-11-16 11:18 pm

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Re: 10.4.11 is out

JMV290 wrote:

Graphic Autist wrote:

I notice no difference at all whatsoever...

It killed Shiira. cry

Nah, it just got Mercury poisoning. It'll recover.


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#36 2007-11-17 5:11 pm

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Re: 10.4.11 is out

I believe this update is required for the recent Final Cut Studio updates, maybe others too.

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#37 2007-11-25 11:38 am

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Re: 10.4.11 is out

How can I get rid of 10.4.11.
Since getting it, mail, safari, itunes, firefox are all prone to just quitting, and the last straw is it not recognising an external HD.
Grrr, they made this bad so I'd go buy leopard.

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#38 2007-11-25 11:41 am

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Re: 10.4.11 is out

Spaceman wrote:

Grrr, they made this bad so I'd go buy leopard.

Maybe that's the point.

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#39 2007-11-25 1:31 pm

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Re: 10.4.11 is out

Spaceman wrote:

How can I get rid of 10.4.11.
Since getting it, mail, safari, itunes, firefox are all prone to just quitting, and the last straw is it not recognising an external HD.
Grrr, they made this bad so I'd go buy leopard.

Which system are you running?


Based on the findings of the report, my conclusion was that this idea was not a practical deterrent for reasons which at this moment must be all too obvious.

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#40 2007-11-25 2:09 pm

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Re: 10.4.11 is out

I don't know if it's OS X 10.4.11, or Safari 3.0.4 that did it. But the OS and/or Safari, is better than ever.

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#41 2007-11-25 2:35 pm

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Re: 10.4.11 is out

No problems I didn't know about going in, and those don't affect me. So no problems here.


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#42 2007-11-25 4:47 pm

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Re: 10.4.11 is out

I've got a dual 800 G4, and going by the forums, it's my machine and not this update. Will be getting a new desktop as soon as Apple releases them.

Looks like I'm having to buy diskwarrior for this hard disk though.

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#43 2007-11-26 10:09 pm

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Re: 10.4.11 is out

I have a G4 800 iMac.  Is it something about the 800MHz G4's that cause a problem or just the duals?

I just updated this thing to Tiger but only took it to 10.4.10 on the downloaded updates so I could hear if .11 gave any trouble.


Microsoft Security Patch No. Infinitum arriving soon

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#44 2007-11-27 2:50 am

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Re: 10.4.11 is out

In the past couple of days I've switched from Safari to Firefox and back again as default browser.
I'm not noticing any improvements over 10.4.10, so I'd stick with that if it works. I'll be going back to it soon.

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#45 2007-11-27 7:38 am

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Re: 10.4.11 is out

I'm currently using Camino.  Safari 2 is too crash prone and Firefox (even the G4 optimized BonEcho version) is just kind of sluggish.

I think I'll stick here until more people have reported on .11's quirks.  I'd like to tinker with Safari 3, but not if it's going to do weird stuff.


Microsoft Security Patch No. Infinitum arriving soon

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#46 2007-11-27 8:15 pm

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Re: 10.4.11 is out

I updated and I like it. I also miss PithHelmet.

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