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#26 2007-12-12 10:52 am

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Re: Let's have a real presidential debate

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Are any of "the best and the brightest" still left alive?

I thought they morphed into neo-cons.


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#27 2007-12-12 11:05 am

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Re: Let's have a real presidential debate

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The intellectuals who led America into Vietnam.

No, they were replaced by a whole host of army officers who fought in vietnam and now are determined to avoid/atone for vietnam, which smurfed us over.


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#28 2007-12-12 8:11 pm

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Re: Let's have a real presidential debate

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Knowing science doesn't necessarily make someone "intelligent." The President has thousands of advisors, researchers, academics, agencies, professors and scientists working for him. Let them tell him whats going on. I couldn't give a good godamn if the President didn't know the difference between an electron and a neutron. All I care about is that he listens, has the capacity to learn, is able to analyze the data presented and come up with a course of action.

I'd much rather have a President knowledgable about foreign policy, world affairs and domestic issues than a President knowledgable about science.

Yes, it does. At least a basic understanding of science. Shoulda taken some chemistry and biology just to get into college. The President shouldn't need a PhD in science, but should understand the basics, like the difference between an electron and a neutron.

Unfortunately the current President isn't knowledgeable about foreign policy, world affairs or domestic affairs and his advisers are ideologues who only present one side of an issue. I'd rather we didn't' make the same mistake twice. Someone who actually had a successful career, public or private sector, would be nice too - unlike the current President.


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#29 2007-12-12 10:02 pm

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Re: Let's have a real presidential debate

The current President had a fairly successful career in the public sector as Governor of Tejas.


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Those who have been bit, and those who will be bit. - Al Wolf.

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#30 2007-12-13 6:38 am

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Re: Let's have a real presidential debate

He was the edjumacation governor!


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#31 2007-12-13 8:45 am

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Re: Let's have a real presidential debate

resedit wrote:

The current President had a fairly successful career in the public sector as Governor of Tejas.

Oh, please.


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#32 2007-12-13 10:14 am

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Re: Let's have a real presidential debate

robco wrote:

spike wrote:

Knowing science doesn't necessarily make someone "intelligent." The President has thousands of advisors, researchers, academics, agencies, professors and scientists working for him. Let them tell him whats going on. I couldn't give a good godamn if the President didn't know the difference between an electron and a neutron. All I care about is that he listens, has the capacity to learn, is able to analyze the data presented and come up with a course of action.

I'd much rather have a President knowledgable about foreign policy, world affairs and domestic issues than a President knowledgable about science.

Yes, it does. At least a basic understanding of science. Shoulda taken some chemistry and biology just to get into college. The President shouldn't need a PhD in science, but should understand the basics, like the difference between an electron and a neutron.

Unfortunately the current President isn't knowledgeable about foreign policy, world affairs or domestic affairs and his advisers are ideologues who only present one side of an issue. I'd rather we didn't' make the same mistake twice. Someone who actually had a successful career, public or private sector, would be nice too - unlike the current President.

No...it doesnt. It demonstrates the ability to memorize simple concepts (which is all well and good) but does not demonstrate intelligence. How many times have you met someone who you would not characterize as "intelligent" and yet gets ahead by sheer perseverance?

The electron/neutron was hyperbole, I would hope that the President have a basic understanding of science. I mean basic. However, I don't think its fair or realistic to expect him to be able to debate in depth on science.

I totally agree that Bush fulfills none of the desirable qualities of a President. He represents the moronic portion of the population who feels that the President should be just like him. Hes the godamn President, he should be smarter and more able than you in every way.


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#33 2007-12-13 12:01 pm

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Re: Let's have a real presidential debate

user wrote:

resedit wrote:

The current President had a fairly successful career in the public sector as Governor of Tejas.

Oh, please.

You may not like it - but he did.


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#34 2007-12-14 7:47 am

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Re: Let's have a real presidential debate

resedit wrote:

user wrote:

resedit wrote:

The current President had a fairly successful career in the public sector as Governor of Tejas.

Oh, please.

You may not like it - but he did.

It's widely known that the Texas governor is largely a ceremonial position with little power.


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#35 2007-12-14 8:09 am

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Re: Let's have a real presidential debate

user wrote:

It's widely known that the Texas governor is largely a ceremonial position with little power.

Compared to other states it is weak, about like the Presidency.
The power of appointments and the veto though make it more than just ceremonial.


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#36 2007-12-14 8:55 am

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Re: Let's have a real presidential debate

user wrote:

resedit wrote:

The current President had a fairly successful career in the public sector as Governor of Tejas.

Oh, please.

"Poor George, he can't help it. He was born with a silver foot in his mouth."


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#37 2007-12-14 9:37 am

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Re: Let's have a real presidential debate

soulcrusher wrote:

It'll let us know who is intelligent and educated among the candidates.

I mean, you want an intellectual as president, right?

We had one.  His name was Woodrow Wilson.

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#38 2007-12-14 9:54 am

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Re: Let's have a real presidential debate

Thomas Jefferson, for another.


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#39 2007-12-14 10:29 am

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Re: Let's have a real presidential debate

Don't forget Josiah Bartlet; he won a Nobel prize.


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#40 2007-12-14 10:59 am

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Re: Let's have a real presidential debate

Let Bartlett be Bartlett!


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#41 2007-12-15 11:10 am

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Re: Let's have a real presidential debate

user wrote:

Let Bartlett be Bartlett!

I don't think we will be seeing uncle fluffy tonight...


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#42 2007-12-15 3:56 pm

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Re: Let's have a real presidential debate

robco wrote:

Unfortunately the current President isn't knowledgeable about foreign policy, world affairs or domestic affairs and his advisers are ideologues who only present one side of an issue. I'd rather we didn't' make the same mistake twice. Someone who actually had a successful career, public or private sector, would be nice too - unlike the current President.

Please. If George W. Bush was competent and intelligent this country would be a smoking rubble today.

Bush's problem isn't a lack of expertise, it's the fact that he and his allies don't give a smurf about this country, or at least 99.9% of it.

Pretty much the only thing that has been able to stop him from embarking on another greed-driven, bad-for-the-vast-majority-of-Americans policy is the sheer incompetence of his administration. (Thanks Democrats!)

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#43 2007-12-15 4:36 pm

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Re: Let's have a real presidential debate

agedgruel wrote:

soulcrusher wrote:

It'll let us know who is intelligent and educated among the candidates.

I mean, you want an intellectual as president, right?

We had one.  His name was Woodrow Wilson.

As a matter of fact, I believe that this country was founded by intellectuals.

Not only people that were concerned with politics and policy but intellectuals in the broadest sense of the word. Thomas Paine and Benjamin Franklin come to mind.

Makes you wonder wtf happened.


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#44 2007-12-15 5:14 pm

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Re: Let's have a real presidential debate

after-life wrote:

robco wrote:

Unfortunately the current President isn't knowledgeable about foreign policy, world affairs or domestic affairs and his advisers are ideologues who only present one side of an issue. I'd rather we didn't' make the same mistake twice. Someone who actually had a successful career, public or private sector, would be nice too - unlike the current President.

Please. If George W. Bush was competent and intelligent this country would be a smoking rubble today.

Bush's problem isn't a lack of expertise, it's the fact that he and his allies don't give a smurf about this country, or at least 99.9% of it.

Pretty much the only thing that has been able to stop him from embarking on another greed-driven, bad-for-the-vast-majority-of-Americans policy is the sheer incompetence of his administration. (Thanks Democrats!)

As much as I dislike Bush, I do believe he has the best interests of the country at heart. Its just that he doesnt understand what those best interests are or how to best go about getting them...


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#45 2007-12-15 6:03 pm

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Re: Let's have a real presidential debate

Nah, Ol Silver Foot only knows how to please his buddies and will say ANYTHING to further that interest.


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#46 2007-12-15 6:24 pm

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Re: Let's have a real presidential debate

spike wrote:

As much as I dislike Bush, I do believe he has the best interests of the country at heart. Its just that he doesnt understand what those best interests are or how to best go about getting them...

Is there any evidence of that being the case?

I wish it were possible to assume that everyone who gets involved in politics is doing it for the good of the country. That clearly isn't the case though. Some politicians simply are handmaidens for special interests the oppose the interests of the majority.

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#47 2007-12-15 8:10 pm

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Re: Let's have a real presidential debate

soulcrusher wrote:

agedgruel wrote:

soulcrusher wrote:

It'll let us know who is intelligent and educated among the candidates.

I mean, you want an intellectual as president, right?

We had one.  His name was Woodrow Wilson.

As a matter of fact, I believe that this country was founded by intellectuals.

Not only people that were concerned with politics and policy but intellectuals in the broadest sense of the word. Thomas Paine and Benjamin Franklin come to mind.

Makes you wonder wtf happened.

I blame television, violent video games, and Ozzy Ozbourne, in that order. wink

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