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karma

Someday, when you need a new heart, and they can give you a human heart that is a clone of your own and was grown in a pig, and you can then have your donor for breakfast, you will be glad all this research was carried out, regardless of the fact that right now you are basing your opinions on listening to other people tell you how to think.

DukeofNuke wrote:

Someday, when you need a new heart, and they can give you a human heart that is a clone of your own and was grown in a pig, and you can then have your donor for breakfast, you will be glad all this research was carried out, regardless of the fact that right now you are basing your opinions on listening to other people tell you how to think.

Or one of these days you will suffer a spinal cord injury and need stem cells to regrow your nerves in there.

Aricept is some awesome stuff (my grandmother is on it), but it can't cause new neurons to regrow.

Farmerkev wrote:

DukeofNuke wrote:

Someday, when you need a new heart, and they can give you a human heart that is a clone of your own and was grown in a pig, and you can then have your donor for breakfast, you will be glad all this research was carried out, regardless of the fact that right now you are basing your opinions on listening to other people tell you how to think.

Of course it was that slab of bacon everyday that gave you the heart disease to start with.

If that ain't karma, I don't know what is

resedit wrote:

I did read the article.
I also googled it before I posted.

Would you mind sharing what you learned from the journal article that you read with the class?

D'Eyncourt wrote:

Who has ever said that embryonic stem cells was the only possible pathway?

Sheesh, just another strawman.

This is just another example of the classic bad logic that creationists use. They think that by trying to show one error or contradiction that the whole thing falls like a house of cards. By their logic since a study produced results about a disease without using embryonic stems cells therefore embryonic stems cells are not useful (same kind of bad logic that groups like PETA use to try to say that animal testing is universally bad/not needed). At this point I just want to see if Res has any understanding of what he claims to have read (because I'm not even buying that he read it at this point).

That statement is more telling of you than anyone else, Res. Nice to see that you at least are partially aware that you believe this is about you and not about anyone else. I was hoping you'd talk about the science or at least try to understand it and maybe start thinking about others. Guess that isn't the case.

resedit wrote:

NAG wrote:

That statement is more telling of you than anyone else, Res. Nice to see that you at least are partially aware that you believe this is about you and not about anyone else. I was hoping you'd talk about the science or at least try to understand it and maybe start thinking about others. Guess that isn't the case.

So your question was about you and what you hoped, not about what I learned, even though that's what you asked.

I asked you a question to see if you had any understanding of the science behind the article. So yes, my question was to increase my own knowledge. If you can't distinguish between a question to increase one's understanding of others and an attack against those you perceive to think ill of you then I'm sorry.

So, Res. Why do you come here if you believe that everyone has some agenda to make you look bad? I'm really curious. I don't know what has led you to believe that everyone who disagrees with you is trying to trap you or otherwise control you. All I can say is that I'm not. I have nothing to gain from trapping you. I have no agenda. I'm here on this board because I like learning and helping others. This is easy when it comes to technology because people rarely have strong preconceptions that prevent them from having a reasonable discussion (now that the Mac and PC wars have died down). So yes, I admit that I find it hard to talk to you. I've tried explaining things and giving you links to primary sources and just asking you general questions (helping and learning, respectively). I could take offense that you see some sort of evil intent in my actions but instead I'm curious. I would like to know why. I don't presume that I can help you in this area (I can really only explain the various scientific concepts for you). So, would you help me learn or are you content with your version of the world?

NAG wrote:

So, Res. Why do you come here if you believe that everyone has some agenda to make you look bad?

I do not believe everyone in here has some agenda to make me look bad.
However, your question was not for the reasons you stated, that is clear.

I'm really curious. I don't know what has led you to believe that everyone who disagrees with you is trying to trap you or otherwise control you.

I don't believe that, and I'm curious what has led you to think I do.

So....those who advocate using stem cells for research are implicitly claiming that stem cells must be used in discovering new cures?  That nothing new can come without the use of stem cells?



Are you even trying anymore?  There's absolutely no logic involved here.  Think, then post.