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I have bootcamp for two reasons. To run Adobe FrameMaker and to run the games I like. No problems. What computer are you using, what are the specifications (RAM, video, harddrive space) and what are the games? We can't help without this information.

Wolf355 wrote:

Radeon X1900 XT (PCI 1) GF 7300 (PCI 4)

UT 3 and Fear (original + perseus mandate)

K out of the two video cards which one do you want to use?

I'm assuming the X1900XT. Uninstall the drivers and reinstall the newest Cat. drivers from AMDATI. UT3 requires these to run. If that doesn't do it visit the Epic forums. Both ATI and nVidia have issues. There are specific tweaks you can try.

Could you be more specific on what UT3 is doing, rather not doing. There's a number of things Epic is trying to work out.

Epic Forums wrote:

Tracked Issues
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Hi guys. Here are the issues we're tracking:

Framerate drops when nothing is happening:
Resolution not impacting fps:
Connection Failed:
Can't Install:
Flickering Shadows:
Flickering World:
Hitching: On NVIDIA 8800GT
OpenAL: Crashing when OpenAL is enabled.
Constant Key Re-entry: Have to enter the product key everytime you start the game.
UT.exe has encountered a problem and needs to close: A crash right at launch.
The Microphone doesn't seem to work on the PS3 version:
Instability with ATI x1900 generation cards:

http://gearsforums.epicgames.com/showth … p?t=590466

That thread and the ones around have ideas on workarounds.

::EDIT::
Oops also don't forget the UT3 patch
http://gearsforums.epicgames.com/showth … p?t=591638

Last edited by LLEVIATHANN (2008-01-16 2:23 pm)

8.1 Cats
Download the full 30+mb first then:
Make sure you uninstall the Apple ones first.
Go to Control Panel > Add/Remove Programs > Look for Apple/ATI software. May or may not be there.
Next Control Panel > System > Hardware Tab > Device Manager button
Expand the + next to display adapters. Right click on the ATI cards listed there and left click on uninstall. Reboot. After reboot XP might say found new hardware. Cancel that out. Launch new drivers. After the install reboot again.

It would be the same to update the GeForce card but using the drivers from nvidia.com. Click on download drivers.

Last edited by LLEVIATHANN (2008-01-16 4:54 pm)

Well, I've installed Catalyst 8.1 after having installed .Net Framework and still no candy.... though now my three screens are working in XP which wasn't the case before. I guess that's a start. Yet none of the games want to boot up yet. I still get that very same error out of all of them. Even Apple is puzzled. What gives? Could it be a hardware problem? I mean I've got a new install of bootcamp, new XP, 10.5 new....geez everything is new on this rig...lol. I have to say the video card doesn't seem 100% with catalyst and another thing: Steam will not load.. whatever that is. Steam gives me the same error as the games.

I'm really sad this ain't working... I soooooo want to play these games...grrr! Well, perhaps you guys will have other ideas.

Oh! almost forgot: there is a second solution for UT3 requiring me to edit the ini file for UT... I don't think that is where the problem is since all other games are giving me the same problem but it doesn't hurt to be thorough, right? Sooo, where the heck is the ini file...haha?

Thanks

A Wolf who's sanity is going out the Windows (the XP kind)

After some further thought, I have a hunch the problem comes down to both ATi and NV video drivers installed on the same system. Winders has never really liked that arrangement (and it goes without saying ATi and NV no likee each other).

If you can get away with "only" two displays under XP, I'd try uninstalling the secondary, NV drivers entirely. The 1900XT should be quite happy driving the other two, and you'll still have all three available in OSX.

You may still need to specify which display the card should use for games, tho. Others should know more there.

The XP Release Notes give some idea of the potential issues with just one card by one maker...

Known Issues Under the Windows XP Operating System
The following section provides a summary of open issues in the latest version of Catalyst™. These include:

After installing the graphics driver an error message may be displayed when attempting to launch DirectX based games when using an ATI AGP product. Further details can be found in topic number 737-31542

Call of Juarez: Setting the game level with Optimal Quality and high in-game settings may result in the game level being blank. Further details can be found in topic number 737-30591

Enemy Territory: Quake Wars may have corruption on the water and sky after increasing the game resolution. Restarting the game at that higher resolution or issuing reloadImages command in the game console corrects the corruption. This issue only impacts graphics cards up to the ATI Radeon™ X850. Further details can be found in topic number 737-29947

Lost Planet: Setting AA to either 4x or 8x may intermittently result in the game failing to respond. Further details can be found in topic number 737-28492

STALKER: Shadows may not be rendered properly when CrossFire™ is enabled along with AA being enabled at 4x and Full Dynamic Lighting also being enabled. Further details can be found in topic number 737-31597

Connecting a CRT display device as the secondary display and playing a Blu-ray DVD using a Cyberlink player may result in no video playback if extended desktop mode is enabled. Further details can be found in topic number 737-30587

Connecting a Dual Link Panel to the on-board DVI port, followed by hot plugging a DVI display to the add-on DVI card may result in clone mode becoming disabled when rebooting the machine and the secondary display device remaining blank. Further details can be found in topic number 737-31166

The Catalyst Control Center menu option may fail to function when changing the skin from system skin to any other available skin. Further details can be found in topic number 737-30570

Setting the display resolution to 1440x900 or lower may result in corruption being noticed when playing a DVD title. Further details can be found in topic number 737-31168

Setting the desktop resolution to 1280x1024 and using PowerDVD to play an HD-DVD or Blu-ray title may result in corruption being noticed when using an ATI Radeon™ HD 2400 series of product. Further details can be found in topic number 737-31171

On certain products, changing display resolution while playing back High Definition content may results in instability. It is recommended to set appropriate resolution while playback is stopped. Further details can be found in topic number 737-31172

Cyberlink: Playing a DVD title on a system containing an ATI Radeon™ HD 2400 series may result in corruption being noticed. Further details can be found in topic number 737-31173

Connecting a CRT display device as the secondary display and playing a Blu-ray DVD using a Cyberlink player may result in no video playback if extended desktop mode is enabled. Further details can be found in topic number 737-30587

On certain products, changing display resolution while playing back High Definition content may results in instability. It is recommended to set appropriate resolution while playback is stopped. Further details can be found in topic number 737-31598

Connecting a CRT display device as the secondary display and playing a Blu-ray DVD using a Cyberlink player may result in no video playback if extended desktop mode is enabled. Further details can be found in topic number 737-31599

I'd just get rid of the NV XP drivers.

Bat wrote:

Levi will 'splain.

Me!?! Why always me?

I agree my next step if the drivers didn't work was to pull the 7300 and uninstall the drivers. I too have heard that ATI and nVidia don't play well in the same sand box. Before going thru the hassle of all that try the simple 'Disable' in Device Manager first. Go back to Device Manager, right click on the 7300 and select Disable. Still no joy then I think you'll need to remove drivers and card. I say the card too because every time you reboot XP will take longer to boot while it's messing with 'new hardware'.

Another thing there is an XP patch for dual core CPUs. Make sure you get it.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/896256

Won't hurt to visit www.update.microsoft.com and get all the XP patches.

DX upgrades
www.microsoft.com/directx

DX troubleshooting:
Start > Run > Type DXDIAG in the run window and then click run.

Bat is correct. Epic did change UT3's folder structure. No longer is everything in one folder. Don't mess with the .ini files in the Program Files > Unreal Tournament 3. Those are the defaults and are only used if the real ones get hosed. The ini files you want to play with are now in My Documents > My Games > Unreal Tournament 3. Make copies before messing with them or take notes on changes.

LLEVIATHANN wrote:

Bat wrote:

Levi will 'splain.

Me!?! Why always me?

Because like I said, me no have a UE3.0 game installed yet, so you'd be 'splainin' stuff anyways.

Bat is correct.

But of course... [/modesty] and

But first patch XP and turn off/take out the GeForce. FYI after a fresh XP:SP2 install I normally have 250-300mb of patches to download. It'll take awhile.

Wolf355 wrote:

All the updates to windows are installed... hope this new info can help you guys diagnose the problem better.

Wolf

Well, there is SP3 RC1. Books's had good results with it. Save many inividual patches.

Interesting. Have you updated to 8.1?

Bat wrote:

But of course... [/modesty] and

But first patch XP and turn off/take out the GeForce. FYI after a fresh XP:SP2 install I normally have 250-300mb of patches to download. It'll take awhile.

Wolf355 wrote:

All the updates to windows are installed... hope this new info can help you guys diagnose the problem better.

Wolf

Well, there is SP3 RC1. Books's had good results with it. Save many inividual patches.

Hey when ya been doing this as long as I have you learn to cross Ts and dot Is. All too often peeps say it but don't/didn't mean it. I wish I had a dime for everytime I've asked if it was plugged in and have the answer yes but only to get there to find out it's not.

Booksley wrote:

Bat wrote:

Interesting. Have you updated to 8.1?

Actually it's a problem with the installation package itself, I'd need to modify the .inf file to accept SP2+, as opposed to SP2-only. But I can't find any easy to modify section that says 'VERSION=SP2'

Grr... think it'd work if the card and 8.1 were installed on SP2, then SP3 RC1 installed and drivers rolled 'back' to 8.1 if superceded by whatever SP3 uses? I'd like 8.1 on my 3870.