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DukeofNuke wrote:

Just two things


2. When that morbidly obese person sits down beside you on the train or plane, how can you tell the difference between

I have every sympathy in the world for people withmedical conditions that are beyond their control .  I do not have sympathy for someone who balloons up to 300 or 400 pounds because he can't put down the chips and take a walk.

How do you choose whom to be sympathetic toward, and whom to reject.

If they're stuffing their face with Twinkies it's a good sign they don't give a damn.

CrashingtehWarehouse wrote:

DukeofNuke wrote:

Just two things


2. When that morbidly obese person sits down beside you on the train or plane, how can you tell the difference between

I have every sympathy in the world for people withmedical conditions that are beyond their control .  I do not have sympathy for someone who balloons up to 300 or 400 pounds because he can't put down the chips and take a walk.

How do you choose whom to be sympathetic toward, and whom to reject.

If they're stuffing their face with Twinkies it's a good sign they don't give a damn.

How do YOU know who is stuffing their face, and who has a genetic or glandular disorder? How can YOU tell if that twinkie is the only thing they've had to  eat all day?
How about some cliches:
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes
or
Don't judge a book by it's cover
Perhaps we should make some comparisons

1. all southerners are racist
2. all black people are stupid
3. all queers and fagots should be shot
4. all Muslims are terrorists
5. only Evangelical Christians go to  Heaven, Roman Catholics are all going to hell.
6. homeless people are all lazy bums who deserve their situation.
Do you care to disagree with any of the above statements? Each one is as thoughtfully considered as, " All fat people got that way by stuffing their faces with twinkies and should not be allowed on public transportation."

THREAD IS NOT ABOUT FAT HATE

DukeofNuke wrote:

Perhaps we should make some comparisons

1. all southerners are racist
2. all black people are stupid
3. all queers and fagots should be shot
4. all Muslims are terrorists
5. only Evangelical Christians go to  Heaven, Roman Catholics are all going to hell.
6. homeless people are all lazy bums who deserve their situation.
Do you care to disagree with any of the above statements? Each one is as thoughtfully considered as, " All fat people got that way by stuffing their faces with twinkies and should not be allowed on public transportation."

Your comparisons are stupid.
- Geographic location is irrelevant to racism
- Race is irrelevant to intelligence
- Advocating murder of anyone is irrelevant to anything that's going on in this thread
- So is the theological belief of a religious sect
- Closer, might want to work with that one.

However, obesity is caused by the intake of more chemical energy than is expended. End of story. Whatever glandular issue might be happening, whatever socioeconomic situation is present, if any person intakes more chemical energy than their body uses, that energy is stored as fat.

rising obesity is primarily the result of consuming more calories

Link

Consumption of fast food has tripled in the last 30 years and calorie intake has quadrupled. Source

Skyrocketing obesity rates are not due to a sudden prevalence of thyroid conditions.

When my parents (actually, anybody) don't remember something that I've told them. And I have told them at least three times.

People throwing cigarrette butts out their car windows.

People trying to drive and talk on their cell phones - where I live, nobody can drive very well to begin with - cellphones make everyone that much more common sense impaired.

When one of my friends or relatives say they'll do something - and then don't do it. Or they change their minds 3 times before committing. Or they show up late. (Probably really my problem, because I can't do without a planner - I have to write down my plans and I like having a set schedule). Apparently, this also makes me a freak of nature.

Tallgeese wrote:

There is strong correlation between poverty and obesity.

Then food stamps (WIC cards) need to go towards food not crap.

I don't wanna hate but once you get a face full of unwanted ass while sitting in the aisle seat it's hard not to. Two hours a day, 6 days a week for seven years with nothing much to do but people watch. Most fat people I watched on the train ate and ate and ate some more only stopping to take a swig of Diet Coke!?! WTF is that about?

FutureDreamz wrote:

Tallgeese wrote:

- Geographic location is irrelevant to racism
- Race is irrelevant to intelligence

-If you say so.
-have you've EVER been to Japan?

Yes, I've been to Japan multiple times. What is your point?

FutureDreamz wrote:

not very filling.

Depends on the person, no? After a Big Mac a large fry is wasted on me. Can't finish it. It's called portion control.

Yeah, yeah
Ok, ok. call off the dogs

The point I'm trying to make has nothing to do with fat.
It has to do with people making assumptions about other people without knowing that person at all.
When you see an obese person and you think, "Yuckie Poo. Fat people don't care about themselves. They eat too much and don't exercise. Icky!"
Well, you're making assumptive stereotypical judgments based on, uh, I don't know, childhood misconceptions or something.
Anyway, assuming that someone is fat because they are a lazy overeater is just as inaccurate as assuming a man is gay because he's wearing a pink shirt. It just aint necessarily so.
Which brings me round to one of my pet peeves. Betcha can't guess.

Tallgeese wrote:

DukeofNuke wrote:

Perhaps we should make some comparisons

1. all southerners are racist
2. all black people are stupid
3. all queers and fagots should be shot
4. all Muslims are terrorists
5. only Evangelical Christians go to  Heaven, Roman Catholics are all going to hell.
6. homeless people are all lazy bums who deserve their situation.
Do you care to disagree with any of the above statements? Each one is as thoughtfully considered as, " All fat people got that way by stuffing their faces with twinkies and should not be allowed on public transportation."

Your comparisons are stupid.
- Geographic location is irrelevant to racism
- Race is irrelevant to intelligence
- Advocating murder of anyone is irrelevant to anything that's going on in this thread
- So is the theological belief of a religious sect
- Closer, might want to work with that one.

However, obesity is caused by the intake of more chemical energy than is expended. End of story. Whatever glandular issue might be happening, whatever socioeconomic situation is present, if any person intakes more chemical energy than their body uses, that energy is stored as fat.

rising obesity is primarily the result of consuming more calories

Link

Consumption of fast food has tripled in the last 30 years and calorie intake has quadrupled. Source

Skyrocketing obesity rates are not due to a sudden prevalence of thyroid conditions.

Yes, those are stupid statements. They are intended to be examples of stupid statements.  They are statements; that are stupid.

You're absolutly right about obesity being caused, mostly, by more food and less activity. but there are other factors, genetic and enviromental, that play a role, also.Link

I'm not saying everyone has thyroid problems, but everyone should get an annual checkup!

DukeofNuke wrote:

Diet Coke taste better than regular Coke.

And you'll never guess what tastes better than Coke or Pepsi.
Hint: Loblaw carries it.

DukeofNuke wrote:

Yeah, yeah
Ok, ok. call off the dogs

The point I'm trying to make has nothing to do with fat.
It has to do with people making assumptions about other people without knowing that person at all.
When you see an obese person and you think, "Yuckie Poo. Fat people don't care about themselves. They eat too much and don't exercise. Icky!"
Well, you're making assumptive stereotypical judgments based on, uh, I don't know, childhood misconceptions or something.
Anyway, assuming that someone is fat because they are a lazy overeater is just as inaccurate as assuming a man is gay because he's wearing a pink shirt. It just aint necessarily so.
Which brings me round to one of my pet peeves. Betcha can't guess.

Isn't making assumptions about people you don't know exactly what you're doing in this thread?

You're assuming that we're thinking "Yuckie Poo" and making stereotypical judgements about why a person is fat.

Really, in my case anyway, I don't think about what the person ate, what their medical situation is, etc.  It's simply a matter of physical size.  I make no judgement about their personality, I'm just physically uncomfortable when being wedged next to something so large.  I'd feel the same if someone dropped a boulder in the seat next to me.

Before accusing others of making assumptions, maybe you should take a look in the mirror?

I'm just physically uncomfortable when being wedged next to something so large.  I'd feel the same if someone dropped a boulder in the seat next to me.

Well, I mean, that's what gets me. This is another person your talking about, not a boulder.
Would you feel uncomfortable if that person was in a wheelchair. Or had a broken leg and their crutches and cast were on your side, encroaching on your personal space.
Or pregnant, and really far along? Or black, or gay?
Now, you are going to respond: "That's different. Those other people didn't choose to be the way they are (except maybe the pregnant lady), Those things are either an accident or the way they were born." And that is true. It's also true that if calories in exceed calories out, you will get fat.
But the problem I have is that some of you guys seem to think that a) these people have made a lifestyle choice; "I don't care if I get fat, gimmie another Twinkie!"
and b) Again, chose to do nothing about it.
I've worked in charity hospitals in one of the poorest parts of the country for almost 30 years. I've met some wicked-nasty, ugly, mean, smelly, and fat people. But in all my encounters with the morbidly obese, I've yet to meet one who didn't say, "I wish I wasn't so big."
"Calories in / calories out" may be a fact, but it is also an oversimplification. There are many other factors involved, including but not limited to genetic predisposition and socioeconomic factors.
Exercise? It's hard to even go to the grocery store when you're so big, much less work out.
Diet? They've tried 'em all. (BTW, fresh vegetables are way more expensive than processed foods)

I guess what I'm going for here is a little sympathy for the fat man. Give 'em a break. We don't know how he got to be the way he is, so don't judge.
And if he crowds you on the train, just politely say,"'scuse me, would you mind scooting over a bit?"
Then if he says, "Bite Me" you have a good reason to dislike him, but not everybody that is obese.

I've said my piece. I'm sorry for derailing the thread. I'm not, like, angry or anything. This has to end, so I'll not post on defending fat people anymore.
Thanks for the exercise, though. I think my fingers lost a pound !