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Feels more like UT99 then anything else, i dont know what your talking about...

It sounds like you never played or liked the original UT. UT3 is definitely much closer to the original UT than it is UT2003/4. It seems a lot of UT2004-only players don't like the changes in UT3 that hark back to the original game.

They also didn't remove game modes. Warfare maps can greatly differ in gameplay. Some warfare makes can be almost exact clones of ONS while others will be closer to AS styles of play. It's up to the individual warfare map to decide what its "gametype" is.

You probably just need to get used to how UT3 does things, it's a different beast than UT2004. It think it's a great game and addition to the series. So far only UT2003 has rubbed me wrong.

I don't see how 2K4 was/is more complex game play then UT3. If you mean mastering the ballet moves, OK but I really don't see that as an essential game play element. Epic did kill off some game types (BR, AS & DOM) but I know there are moders at work on BR and DOM. UT3 gets back to essential UT... people with very big guns blowing away other people with very big guns.

DoctorB wrote:

I don't see how 2K4 was/is more complex game play then UT3. If you mean mastering the ballet moves, OK but I really don't see that as an essential game play element.

The ballet moves are essential for survival against good players, but more importantly weaponry requires greater expertise (by my experience they're each more specialized by range).  The shield gun is also adds another element of strategy, that some hate but I like...it takes effort not to just blast away with your strongest weapon.  Then there is the whole new strategy game with the vehicles.  Anyway, when I try to play UT now it seems extremely simplistic (like going from UT to Quake3 used to feel).

Yeah, I actually did all the steps and got RTNP working in OS 9.

My only gripe with Unreal2 was that it was over before I had a chance to try out all the cool weapons you get at the end of the game.  The defense levels were really well done and should be made into an online gametype.

Metacell wrote:

DoctorB wrote:

I don't see how 2K4 was/is more complex game play then UT3. If you mean mastering the ballet moves, OK but I really don't see that as an essential game play element.

The ballet moves are essential for survival against good players, but more importantly weaponry requires greater expertise (by my experience they're each more specialized by range).  The shield gun is also adds another element of strategy, that some hate but I like...it takes effort not to just blast away with your strongest weapon.  Then there is the whole new strategy game with the vehicles.  Anyway, when I try to play UT now it seems extremely simplistic (like going from UT to Quake3 used to feel).

Well the weapons have changed. Not as much splash from rockets. So you actually have to aim. Grenades are back (weee). A real sniper rifle is back! The link gun seems more powerful and he shock rifle (ASMD for us old farts) is sweet. Goo is finally useful again.

The weapons are different yet the same and easy to get used to. I think they are less  spamy in many respects. I would agree that I miss the shield gun... was best for flag runs.

You're not an [MA] member. Are you really that bored with RL you wander this entire forum looking for places to postcount++?.. Step away from the screen. Friends are conversing and lame humor is not appreciated. And stop putting every goddamn thing in brackets.

Sorry, guys. He's everywhere these days.

Metacell wrote:

Yeah, I actually did all the steps and got RTNP working in OS 9.

Cool.

My only gripe with Unreal2 was that it was over before I had a chance to try out all the cool weapons you get at the end of the game.  The defense levels were really well done and should be made into an online gametype.

The defence scenarios were the only universally well-reviewed parts, and they are the best of the campaign game in stock form; immensely replayable. U2's weapons haven't been bettered, IMHO- look, sound, actions were all great.

Something to try sometime is to look up the cheat codes. Being able to spawn any number of any weap or device (giveall?) let you go into scenarios and have endless fun torturing AIs, such as at the dam. Bust the script so they don't die, then send those zappy things after 'em, spawn energy fences with them in the water, rocket turrets nearby, launch incendiary 'nades underwater to them (great visual), send spider-thingys in... and the end-game black-hole launcher thing could give a physics lesson to anyone. Picked 'em up outen the lake and spirally-shot 'em to level's edge, where they eventually come back from for more.

Experiment.

DoctorB wrote:

Metacell wrote:

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Well the weapons have changed. Not as much splash from rockets. So you actually have to aim.

! !

Grenades are back (weee).

W00ts! So where ar they on the scale, between, say Un/UT's thin-walled bouncies and the bricks of Quake 2?

A real sniper rifle is back! The link gun seems more powerful and the shock rifle (ASMD for us old farts) is sweet.

The lightning gun is gone, or something more? '03/4 has one... are there Tarydium shards for the AS.. Shock Rifle? And it should outgas periodically, mining tool that it is..

Link gun used to be a good ersatz FT for burninating foes in alt-fire.

Goo is finally useful again.

The weapons are different yet the same and easy to get used to. I think they are less  spamy in many respects. I would agree that I miss the shield gun... was best for flag runs.

I never really did get used to that or the translocator. I just shot stuff pretty well. I enjoyed vehicles, and low-g in both earlier iterations.

The Tarydium shards are used in the Gatling gun. The alt fire fires whole shards so you can literally pin someone to the wall. The steering in the Bender and Scop is much more sensitive than it was before. The Bender driver now shoots the air mines. The Bender cannon now shoots rapid fire. The Scorp fires energy grenades at a rapid fire (very effective against manta), has blades (now in the front) and if you hit "jump" you get a rocket boost during witch if you bail out the Scorp becomes a bomb... nice for destroying tanks, benders what have you. The translocator allows more liberal use compared to 2K4 (the CTF players like that). New turrets including a rocket version. Lots for firepower for lots of mayhem.

::Bat I may include some spoilers here but not give out too much::

Oh where to start. Well first I've always started a new UT like there wasn't anything before it giving Epic the benefit of doubt. After installation and settings my first playing has always been the single player campaign. There I get a feel for the game, learn the rules and get an overview of what's changed. So far Epic hasn't disappointed. Every UT release has been a solid game onto itself (even '03). I mean '03 wasn't horribly broken but I was very pleased when '04 was released. UT3 is the same, a good solid game if you don't spend countless hours nitpicking it to death against the others before it. Currently I'm having a great love/hate relationship with this game.

Levi's Love & Hates:

Hates: UT3's hardware quirkiness. Man if you don't have things just so this game will not run or will and crash at various points. Finally I got UT3 happy with my machine. There are two other machines in the house that can run it. This weekend I tried it on Jr.'s machine (P4 2.8 with my old X800XT, Gig ram). Loaded fine. Went through all the settings fine. Custom Player fine. Stat FPS looks great. Launched into single player, crash on the intro movie....sigh....WTF!?! Here is where I've lost it with UT3. I just wanna play and not spend countless hours trying to get it to run. It's to the point that I don't even wanna look at it because of the bad flavor it's left.

Love: The game over all...once I get it running.

That's all folks. I'm not gonna nitpick. It's a new game learn to play it. Yes it feels much more like '99. Yes the vehicle handling and movement from '04 are gone (for good or bad). Yes the LG is gone but the new rifle is useful. Yes the shock combo vortex that sucks the gibs in is super cool. Yes Coret still ROCKS!

For me all that mattered was the chocked up teary feeling I got when I played Coret for the first time in single player. The glory days are back I thought and still do now that the damn thing runs.

Patch 2 is out.
http://gearsforums.epicgames.com/showth … p?t=603779

The final patch changelist is:

V1.2

Gameplay:

- Increased UTGame MaxPlayersAllowed to 64.
- Fixed leviathan turret instant refire exploit.
- Fixed errant lock on warnings when no longer in vehicle.
- Fixed first person weapons in demo playback.
- Fixed translocator telefrag victim message.
- Fixed encouragement sounds not being randomly picked by bots.
- Implemented viewobjective spectating system for Warfare.
- Fixed berserk held by driver applying to all vehicle turrets.
- Only force low gore on German versions that were low gore only before being patched.
- Fix for unnecessary content staying in memory on seamless travel.
- Fixed shaped charge node exploit.
- Fixed the Scavenger exploit.

User Interface:

- Clicking on the settings tab goes to directly to the full settings menu.
- Added VOIP speaker portraits to HUD.
- Fixed character portraits sometimes not showing up on HUD or not staying up long enough.
- The Host server menus will no longer disable internet options if CheckNatTypeDisplayError returns true. It's just a warning now.
- Fixed the CD key always prompting when the user has no network card
- Added support for commandline log in -login=xxx -password=xxx. This also allows Gamespy comrade and other external applications to be used to launch network clients.
- Added UI option to hide objective paths (the white arrows).
- Added UI option to enable joystick support.
- Added JOIN to midgame menu when spectating.
- Added cancel button to "logging in" message box.
- Added support for auto-updating UI with new options.
- Improved language support for French, Spanish, Italian, and German.
- Joystick key bindings in UI display properly.
- Added game and UI support for customizing crosshair scaling.
- Added "Add Favorite" button to Server Browser server list tab.
- Fixed favorites Tab Page server details not updating.
- Improvements to voice menu. Added "status" section.
- Leave "Disconnect" and "Exit Game" on the mid game menu when seamlessly travelling so that players have a way to abort lengthy downloads
- Show "Change Team" button before the match has started.
- Added support for localized "single score needed" string.
- Tweaked some HUD message font sizes.
- Favorites/History lists list servers that are currently offline.
- Favorites/History lists don't stop working as the number of servers in them crosses max threshold for GS query.
- Fix for end of round scoreboard displaying extra "Player" bots.
- Fixed leviathan deploy icon positioning.

Networking:

- Added support for autodownloading packages while in gameplay or while travelling.
- Auto team re-balancing before map transition if bPlayersBalanceTeams is set.
- Fixed dedicated server memory leaks.
- Force client state synchronization when in spectating state. Fixes sporadic issues with players not being able to join games.
- Fixed sounds not being heard correctly by clients if the sound location is the Actor's location and the Actor is not relevant to that client.
- Fixed spectators being unable to move after a level transition.
- Fixed track turrets being in the wrong position on clients in some cases after being destroyed.
- ConnectionTimeout and InitialConnectTimeOut now both 60.0. Addresses both clients failing connection because they take too long to load a level, and initial connections staying open too long.
- Fixed HTTP download compression.
- Fixed a bug where download during seamless travel would break because the downloader was keeping a pointer into the package map's list, which is unsafe while the game is in progress because that list could have more items added to it (and thus the memory rearranged) at any time
- Fixed a bug where in rare cases packages would get downloaded twice.
- Fixed spectators able to enter as extra players in Duel.
- Fixed issue where CTF, vCTF, and WAR maps are listed in the server browers when searching for a DM game when server changed gametypes.
- Fixed bots not replicating their view pitch, so their animation looks better in net games.
- Strip OwningPlayerName= from the URL, as this is determined elsewhere and was breaking dedicated internet servers launched from the UI.
- Fixed package downloading not moving on to the next download method if it successfully downloads the file, but that file is not the version that the server is requesting.
- Fixed client crash if the user disconnects while downloading a file during a seamless travel.

Server administration:

- TCPLink and Webadmin functionality implemented.
- Banning is now based on CD key hash, so players can’t circumvent bans by creating a new profile.
- Fixed being unable to kickban players with | in their names.
- Added versioning information to the game settings
- Dedicated servers don't require DirectX shader model 2.0
- Fixed AdminForceTextMute and AdminForceTextUnmute.
- Restored the compress and decompress commandlets.
- Fixed AdminCmdOk() function not working properly if you were the listen server.
- Banned IDs readability improved.
- Added MaxClientTravelTime config option to GameInfo. If set, clients are kicked if they take longer than this many seconds to travel between maps.

Mod support:

- Added ScriptedTexture, a type of render to texture that gives Canvas access to script/C++ for rendering custom overlays.
- Added a version of DrawTile() to Canvas that takes a Texture instead of Texture2D so render to texture stuff like ScriptedTextures can more easily be used.
- Added Timestamp function to UObject, returns a string in the format YYYY/MM/DD - HH:MM:SS
- Weapons now take roll from player viewrotation.
- Fixed custom character DLC not applying until the next time the game is run because the default object was not updated after combining the .ini files.
- Added a ModFamilies array to UTCustomChar_Data to allow mod authors to add families to the list.
- Fixed Change Node Status Kismet action not working on fully constructed powernodes.
- Merged ageia particle fixes.

Map specific:

- Fixed DM-Deck get out of world exploit
- Fixed DM-Gateway portals sometimes sending you back to your starting point.
- Fixed CTF-Coret collision exploit.
- Fixed kismet spawned key vehicles not showing on host minimap. Fixes tank showing on host minimap in VCTF-Kargo.

AI improvements:

- New orb carrier strategy AI.
- Improved bot hoverboard use.
- Reduced bot orb spawner camping.
- Fixed bots stuck on orb spawner unable to grab flag.
- Low skill bots use artillery properly.
- Tweaked shooting at nodes vs shooting at enemies.
- No human bonus to threat value.
- Improved threat picking AI, taking into account effectiveness of bot's weapon.
- Tweaked bot AI for link gun, flak cannon, redeemer, and AVRiL.
- Bots tend to stay on same enemy more, and focus on key vehicles more.
- Tweaked campaign auto skill adjust.
- Possible safe fix for bot navigation issues with staticmeshcollections on console. Also a performance improvement on PC and console.
- Tweaked rules for whether to attack node or enemy first.
- Improved bot AI for defending nodes with an orb.
- Fixed pathing issues that were causing bots to get stuck in some places. When a move fails, force a route refresh. Add cost to reachspecs when bot fails repeatedly.
- Improved AI code for adjusting around obstacles. If adjust left and right fail, try moving to center of reachspec.
- If previous move failed, don't allow "advanced tactics" (serpentine, etc.) for next move.
- Added FailedMoveTarget and MoveFailureCount to controller to track movement failures.
- Added bForceNoDetours to UTBot. Don't allow detours when bot is approaching a neutral node (more important to touch node first).
- Fixed bots thinking they've reach the orb spawner without quite getting there and touching the orb.
- Fixed cases where bots could get stuck failing to translocate over and over - bots know to give up now.
- Adjusted bot reaction time to seeing new enemies.
- Improved bot AI for dealing with lifts and hoverboards.
- Bots taunt after winning a match.
- Bots now can be fooled by feign death.
- Sandstorm has more impact on bots being able to acquire/aim at enemies.

LLEVIATHANN wrote:

Friends! I need more Friends!

http://www.maclife.com/forums/topic/104057

I'd be your friend. Indeed... Btw I'm not avoiding the game. I'm not really able to afford much of anything atm.

DoctorB wrote:

The Tarydium shards are used in the Gatling gun. The alt fire fires whole shards so you can literally pin someone to the wall.

D'oh! My bad... you know your memory is going when you get your Unreal weaps confused; T shards were ammo for the Stinger. Only thing wrong with that one was that, as an early game weap, it wasn't as powerful as some others, and the alt-fire that discharged all barrels shottie-style wasn't enough to stop most charging enemies, let 'lone the real baddies. But ammo was plentiful and it had its place in the arsenal.

New turrets including a rocket version. Lots for firepower for lots of mayhem.

Took 'em long enough! Rocket turrets were great in Unreal 2, 4 years ago. Epic lifted many ideas from it and its online mode for UT, then disbanded Legend. Boo.

Hope you guys have played those earlier games by now, from the Anthology if not elsewhere.

I picked it up last week. I like it, I really love zooming around with the Scavenger or Viper.