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#1 2008-03-20 10:13 pm

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Solid-state Fan Shames Traditional Coolers

Ever hear of a "corona wind?" It can be used to make powerful, self-powered fans of great efficiency.

What we've invented here is an ultra thin fan that blows air without any moving parts. The uniqueness of the device is that it is ultra thin, ah, very small and blows air and dissipates heat without any moving parts. It is very small and compact for use in handheld electronics like laptop computers and other small devices. When we have tiny electrodes with small gaps in the air, and the electrodes actually ionize the air. In certain places those ions move across the air gap and along the way they transfer momentum to the air and that creates the blowing action. Some electronics tend to run hot and require cooling. Other electronics, because you can't put a cooling on them, they have to limit their capabilities. So this will open up designers to be able to put more functioning, higher functioning processors in places they would not be permitted to because of cooling issues. Cooling electronics is a growing concern as the CPUs and processors get more powerful, they dissipate more heat. Moving that heat has become a greater and greater challenge and is what interested me in this problem. The cost target is to be comparable with the conventional cooling systems. The research for the device is more or less complete, it's ready to go, ready to be designed into a product. The technology could be in a product by 2009.

National Science Foundation video

No moving parts = reliable, & especially good for notebooks. More simply,

...A pair of engineers from Thorrn Micro Technologies Inc, Dan Schlitz and Vishal Singhal, have developed a new solid-state fan that works similarly to household air purifiers.

The resulting fan is the most powerful and energy efficient fan of its size and moves more air than fans that are 35 times its size. The RSD5 solid-state fan is described by Singhal as, “One of the most significant advancements in electronics cooling since heat pipes. It could change the cooling paradigm for mobile electronics.”

The device operates thanks to a phenomenon called corona wind. This corona wind is created by placing a series of live wires within uncharged conducting plates contoured into half cylinders, partially enveloping the wires. The live wires generate micro-scale plasma that conducts electricity.

The corona wind is created within the intense electrical field that results from the configuration of the wires and the conducting plates. The researchers say they were able to control the micro-scale discharge to produce maximum airflow without risk of arcing or sparks which could prove catastrophic to electronic devices.

Schlitz says, “The technology has the power to cool a 25-watt chip with a device smaller than 1 cubic-cm and can someday be integrated into silicon to make self-cooling chips.”

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=11158


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#2 2008-03-20 10:29 pm

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Re: Solid-state Fan Shames Traditional Coolers

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#3 2008-03-20 10:44 pm

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Re: Solid-state Fan Shames Traditional Coolers

'n' Quiet™.

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#4 2008-03-20 11:27 pm

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Re: Solid-state Fan Shames Traditional Coolers

My response was at least a decent double entendre.

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#5 2008-03-20 11:27 pm

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I feel like Sharper Image is behind this sneaky

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#6 2008-03-20 11:34 pm

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Re: Solid-state Fan Shames Traditional Coolers

Yeah, does it "ionize" the air too? Do you just run water over it to clean the fins? LOL

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#7 2008-03-21 3:11 am

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Re: Solid-state Fan Shames Traditional Coolers

ScifiterX wrote:

My response was at least a decent double entendre.

I got it.

Random User wrote:

Yeah, does it "ionize" the air too? Do you just run water over it to clean the fins? LOL

Would you put an 'ionizer' in your MBP? Apple might use this in coming years, if only for the cool factor. (<- double entendre)

I don't think the National Science Foundation has any ties to The Sharper Image either, Miles. cool


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#8 2008-03-21 11:40 am

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I like the quiet part.

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#9 2008-03-21 3:09 pm

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Re: Solid-state Fan Shames Traditional Coolers

Makes you wonder why nobody has thought of this yet.  We've had air-ionizing "air purifiers" for a while... this should be great.

As an added bonus, you won't have dust buildup in the computers, because it will all be collected in the cooling system... which brings one downpoint, wouldn't you have to clean the cooling system every once in a while?


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#10 2008-03-21 5:00 pm

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Re: Solid-state Fan Shames Traditional Coolers

I thought corona wind came after the burritos.


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#11 2008-03-22 12:55 am

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Re: Solid-state Fan Shames Traditional Coolers

Problems with this design:

The high voltage potential that creates the ionic wind has a tendency to build up a charge on objects 'downwind' of it - not a smart thing to do to sensitive electronics.

It also tends to generate Ozone, which can degrade metals / plastics which it contacts and contributes to smog.

The ionic breeze air purifiers gather a LOT of dust / lint / pollen / etc onto the surfaces of their conductors. If not cleaned regularly, this can build up to the point where the crap covering the electrodes is enough to short them out - making  a crackling / popping sound. Anyone using this chip cooler will *have* to clean it regularly.

On the flip side, this moves MORE air in a small space than equivalently sized fans, and makes no noise. Assuming they can figure out the stray electical charge / ozone issues, I'd gladly clean a laptop regularly in order to use one of these.


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#12 2008-03-22 1:53 am

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Re: Solid-state Fan Shames Traditional Coolers

IT'S FANTASTIC


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#13 2008-03-22 4:20 am

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Re: Solid-state Fan Shames Traditional Coolers

I'm a fan.


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#14 2008-03-23 1:38 pm

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Re: Solid-state Fan Shames Traditional Coolers

I remember seeing this a while ago.  It seems related, so I thought I'd post it.


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#15 2008-03-23 11:38 pm

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Re: Solid-state Fan Shames Traditional Coolers

smilr wrote:

Ozone, which can degrade metals / plastics which it contacts and contributes to smog.

Perhaps they can find a way to capture it and spray it out over the arctic circle . . . maybe using aerosol cans . . .

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#16 2008-03-24 8:20 am

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Re: Solid-state Fan Shames Traditional Coolers

smilr wrote:

Problems with this design:

The high voltage potential that creates the ionic wind has a tendency to build up a charge on objects 'downwind' of it - not a smart thing to do to sensitive electronics.

It also tends to generate Ozone, which can degrade metals / plastics which it contacts and contributes to smog.

The ionic breeze air purifiers gather a LOT of dust / lint / pollen / etc onto the surfaces of their conductors. If not cleaned regularly, this can build up to the point where the crap covering the electrodes is enough to short them out - making  a crackling / popping sound. Anyone using this chip cooler will *have* to clean it regularly.

On the flip side, this moves MORE air in a small space than equivalently sized fans, and makes no noise. Assuming they can figure out the stray electical charge / ozone issues, I'd gladly clean a laptop regularly in order to use one of these.

Why are you so scared of the future??  Do you still have a block of ice delivered every day to keep your milk cool?

wink  j/k, you make some excellent points.  But, I think that people who are clever enough to invent something like this also know about the downsides and hopefully will figure out how to fix those, too...


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#17 2008-03-24 8:27 am

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Re: Solid-state Fan Shames Traditional Coolers

as an owner of an ionic breeze ...
I hope like hell the this "cooling" contraption doesn't pop and fizzle like the breeze ... that thing will keep you up all night if it needs cleaned.


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