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#76 2008-04-04 6:59 pm

D'Eyncourt
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Re: The US in a depression?

user wrote:

ShnickyShnack wrote:

Duke Stratosphere wrote:

It would be nice if insurance companies would not put the screws to small business ... or anyone else, for that matter ... but, for some reason, the insurance companies seem to be just out to smurf everybody.

Careful now son ... you're edging toward advocating SOCIALIZED MEDICINE.

Is that where everybody smurfs everybody else?

I'm all in!

No, no...everyone gets screwed. It must have been a problem with the translation engine you used. wink


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#77 2008-04-05 5:59 am

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Re: The US in a depression?

I suppose the principle of the laffer curve is fairly easy to test. Compare similar nations with significantly different tax rates for tax compliance, revenue collected and economic growth.

that WSJ article provides a curve which I have to take their word meets the standard for such a thing. Is there a standard, or can different people plot "valid" Laffer curves with the same data?


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#78 2008-04-05 8:37 am

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Re: The US in a depression?

freecat wrote:

JakeTheTall wrote:

Technically you might be almost correct, but what tiny percentage of the population was paying that marginal rate ?  That's really going to affect the economy ?

Only the most extreme versions of supply-side economics would claim that it's about affecting the economy in general. The Laffer Curve is, at its most basic level, about the relationship between tax rates and tax revenues. I think if you have a 90% top marginal rate, you can actually increase revenues a bit by cutting that top rate (or eliminating it). It's too much to argue that the economy will improve dramatically, or that revenues will increase dramatically. My point would be that super-high marginal rates are simply wasteful.

Not that I am particularly in favor of confiscatory tax rates I have to wonder how much high rates on ultra high income would effect the econimy. Seems to me the people who get paid that much are primarily of pretty damn questionable relevance like Hedge fund managers and other speculators.
I tend to believe that the econimy would roll along just fine without all the inventive, speculative scams those guys cook up to generate commissions.


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#79 2008-04-05 9:10 pm

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Re: The US in a depression?

Ribtorus wrote:

I suppose the principle of the laffer curve is fairly easy to test. Compare similar nations with significantly different tax rates for tax compliance, revenue collected and economic growth.

that WSJ article provides a curve which I have to take their word meets the standard for such a thing. Is there a standard, or can different people plot "valid" Laffer curves with the same data?

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#80 2008-04-05 11:22 pm

jeremiah256
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Re: The US in a depression?


... Already long ago, from when we sold our vote to no man, the People have abdicated our duties; for the People who once upon a time handed out military command, high civil office, legions - everything, now restrains itself and anxiously hopes for just two things:  bread and circuses - Juvenal

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#81 2008-04-07 9:42 am

setta
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Re: The US in a depression?

user wrote:

We're more like in emo right now.

I'm not native-speaker, what do you mean in emo?

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#82 2008-04-07 9:57 am

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Re: The US in a depression?

Farmerkev wrote:

JakeTheTall wrote:

freecat wrote:


I completely disagree. The basic idea is irrefutable. At high enough tax rates, compliance falls, growth stagnates, and revenues fall in real terms. What's arguable is the shape and where the effects actually take place.

Sure, but those tax rates will never be seen in any country.  70% or 80% ?

Come on Jake, it was 70% here when Reagan made his tax cut.
There are many years where it's been over 90%.
Take a walk through history here-
http://www.truthandpolitics.org/top-rates.php

that site wrote:

the rate does not take into account all possible exemptions and deductions, so taxes actually paid may have been lower than these nominal rates indicate.

I'm sure the people in this kind of tax bracket have an accountant to check for those deductions.

Therefore, the tax code is creating good paying jobs.  wink

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#83 2008-04-07 10:17 am

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Re: The US in a depression?

setta wrote:

user wrote:

We're more like in emo right now.

I'm not native-speaker, what do you mean in emo?

It's a slang term that describes a subculture of fashion and/or music that's very dark, but around here we use it to describe a state of mind that's much worse than depressed. Like you're too depressed to even kill yourself kind of depressed.


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#84 2008-04-07 10:18 am

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Re: The US in a depression?

setta wrote:

user wrote:

We're more like in emo right now.

I'm not native-speaker, what do you mean in emo?

It's a joke relating to a US youth subculture. Google "emo".


Aw, he's no fun, he fell right over.

Unless you become as little children, there's no way you will believe this crap.

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#85 2008-04-07 10:49 am

setta
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Re: The US in a depression?

user wrote:

setta wrote:

user wrote:

We're more like in emo right now.

I'm not native-speaker, what do you mean in emo?

It's a joke relating to a US youth subculture. Google "emo".

Thanks, I found a lot of emo jokes - http://www.innocentenglish.com/best-fun … jokes.html

Do I understand right? Emo joke is a similar one of blond, isn't it?

While I was looking for the info, I found funny video about Emo toy -

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4nRNYG_xM2U

Is this like an emo kid???

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#86 2008-04-07 10:57 am

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Re: The US in a depression?

setta wrote:

user wrote:

setta wrote:


I'm not native-speaker, what do you mean in emo?

It's a joke relating to a US youth subculture. Google "emo".

Thanks, I found a lot of emo jokes - http://www.innocentenglish.com/best-fun … jokes.html

Do I understand right? Emo joke is a similar one of blond, isn't it?

While I was looking for the info, I found funny video about Emo toy -

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4nRNYG_xM2U

Is this like an emo kid???

Not exactly like blondes, no. The stereotype of blondes is dumb, but emo kids are usually thought of as terribly depressed. No the same thing.


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#87 2008-04-07 11:28 am

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Re: The US in a depression?

Emo seems to be extremely self-centered middle-class kids who feel very depressed and that the world is against them.  Which is ironic because one would think they have hardly a worry in the world.


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#88 2008-04-09 9:44 am

setta
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Re: The US in a depression?

Now I caught the sens! Thanks!

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