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#1 2008-04-04 6:02 pm
- iBrandon
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iMac G2 Harddrive Replacement Help
Hello all,
I recently acquired a old old iMac G2, the one that doesn't have a slot-loading drive, and I was told that it just stopped working one day, probably due to a large clicking sound. Me having hacked Xboxs and other consoles I decided it was time to get out the screwdriver and open this sucker up. A few hours later, I determined the hard drive spindle was bouncing off the disc, rendering it broken and unreadable. I also doubled my belief that this was true when I booted up the OS X 8.6 install CD, and when selecting a mount disc, the hard drive was not in the display list, obviously because it wasn't detected at all. This explains the sudden "death" of the computer. In my attempt to revive the computer I went out and purchased a 60GB, 7200RPM, IDE Interface, Seagate Barracuda. A good drive from future knowledge. So I came home hooked it up and tried again, to my dismay, my new drive wouldn't even show up in the list of "mount drives." I remember that I forgot to check the jumper settings, this being the only drive in the computer I was sure it needed to be set to Master. So I did that, then plugged it back in, no go, AGAIN! So I tried it as a Slave drive, a cable selct drive, all of them, and still nothing. So I looked back over to the other drive and I think I know why its not working but I don't know the conversion.
This is what the jumper settings on the STOCK Apple HDD was:
~
O [ O O ] X O
O O O O O
~
So if the X means nothing was there, then if I number them from left to right. It would be like this:
1 2 3 4
O O O X O
O O O O O
5 6 7 8 9
And 1 and 5 are bridged and 2 and 3 are bridged. Got it? Now check out what my newer Seagate Barracuda's jumper settings layout was:
1 2 3 4
O O O O
O O O O
5 6 7 8
Hopefully you can tell that in the newer seagate drive, there are only 4 per row. For a total of 8 pins: 4 x 2 = 8 total pins. On the stock drive theres: (5 - 1) x (5) = 9 total pins.
So does anybody know how to convert the stock Apple HDD jumper settings to my newer Seagate drive jumper settings? I do believe this is the problem thats blocking the Mac from being able to detect my drive. But if you know otherwise I would be greatful. Thank you.
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#2 2008-04-04 7:24 pm
- D'Eyncourt
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Re: iMac G2 Harddrive Replacement Help
According to Seagate you should have the 7 and 8 pins (those furthest from the power cable) jumpered to set the hard drive to master--in your ASCII sketch probably the pins you numbered 1 and 5.
If still not recognized, you may have to reset the PRAM (hold down cmd-opt-P-R during boot up and wait until the start up bong sounds a second time, then release). This will also do things like reset the system clock and other system settings to their factory defaults.
BOYCOTT SONY
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#3 2008-04-04 8:56 pm
- iBrandon
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Re: iMac G2 Harddrive Replacement Help
Thanks for the help. I tried jumping pin 7 and 8 together. When the Mac Install CD booted up, it asked about the time and clock, just as you said it would. But then when I went to the install part, the drive wasn't picked up as a "Mountable Drive" Also, I did try to do 1 and 5, and still no go...
Considering I picked up this iMac G2 from a friend, it doesn't a stock mouse and keyboard, so the only keyboard I have is my old Dell keyboard. So how would I do Cmd, which I believe can be Alt, and I do not no what opt is, then for P and R, do you just mean the keys P and R literally?
Thanks again for your help.
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#4 2008-04-05 4:24 pm
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Re: iMac G2 Harddrive Replacement Help
I think on Windows-type keyboards the "Windows" key is mapped as the Command key. The Alt key is equivalent to the Option key. The cmd-opt-P-R command should be alt-Windows-P-R, and, yes, you hold down both the P and R keys down.
BTW: there was never a G2 chip in Macs. If your iMac is one of the early "flavored" Macs like these then it has a G3 CPU. The Apple History site is a good place to get basic specs on just about every machine that Apple produced or licensed.
BOYCOTT SONY
"I think the question now is not whether you went to Vietnam or whether you didn't, whether you fought in the war or fought against the war. I think the only question is whether we can find a president smart enough never to make a mistake like that again"--Molly Ivins, way back in 1992
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#5 2008-04-05 5:46 pm
- iBrandon
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Re: iMac G2 Harddrive Replacement Help
I did that command, and I got it to make the reboot sound twice, then I released the keys and presumed holding C to boot from the Mac install disc I had in. Well the screen stayed gray, like it knew the disc was there but it didn't feel like loading it. So I tried the computer again except this time I just held C to get it to boot from the CD, same idea, gray screen obviously indicating that it knows the disc is there (and I can here the drive spinning, but its not nearly fast enough to read the disc like it used too) Did that command break the Mac? Or did it tell it to not boot from the CD? I really trust you and I believe you intend to give good advice, but now I cannot get the iMac to even boot from the CD... help.
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#6 2008-04-05 11:42 pm
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Re: iMac G2 Harddrive Replacement Help
A PRAM reset should have set your iMac to its default settings and not affected the access to the CD player. Even if your iMac is now recognizing the hard drive, the iMac should eventually give up trying to read the hard drive and then go to the CD player to try to boot up with its disk. Holding down the "C" key just pre-empts the hard drive read attempt and goes straight to the CD.
Sorry, but it beats me why you should have any problems booting with the CD. If you reboot then hold down the (left) mouse button then the Mac should eject the CD. This is just to check if the CD is OK (not that it's likely that you would develop any problems, but I'm pretty much stumped).
BOYCOTT SONY
"I think the question now is not whether you went to Vietnam or whether you didn't, whether you fought in the war or fought against the war. I think the only question is whether we can find a president smart enough never to make a mistake like that again"--Molly Ivins, way back in 1992
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#7 2008-04-06 8:48 am
- iBrandon
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Re: iMac G2 Harddrive Replacement Help
Yeah see, from what I learned, when there is no CD in the Mac, and it doesn't detect a hard drive with a System Folder, it'll flash to images in the middle of the screen, one folder with a question mark in the middle of it, then the same folder but a image of the finder in it. Now when I hold down C with a disc in, (now) the screen just appears blank, so its trying to boot from the CD obviously.
I'll try holding down C and all those command for awhile and see what I get.
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#8 2008-04-07 7:01 am
- iBrandon
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Re: iMac G2 Harddrive Replacement Help
Sorry for the double post, but I felt if I didn't re-post what I just learned, you might not have thought that as a edit is not detectable unless you actually read...
Anyway, I spoke to a good friend who happens to be quite the tech person. He said to check the iMac's battery. So I did. The Maxell ER3S 3.6v Lithium Ion battery only had .002 volts left when I put it up to a multimeter. I'm not positive this would fix the problem, but this is what I've been told might.
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#9 2008-04-07 7:11 pm
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Re: iMac G2 Harddrive Replacement Help
Ouch! Sorry, I should have thought of that. A discharged system battery will cause all sorts of problems, and resetting the PRAM of a Mac with such would make more.
In my defense I can say that I have yet personally to have a bad system battery <knock wood>, but I know of it being a problem from other folks here.
BOYCOTT SONY
"I think the question now is not whether you went to Vietnam or whether you didn't, whether you fought in the war or fought against the war. I think the only question is whether we can find a president smart enough never to make a mistake like that again"--Molly Ivins, way back in 1992
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#10 2008-04-08 3:15 pm
- iBrandon
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Re: iMac G2 Harddrive Replacement Help
Okay another problem, I went out and bought the battery ($10!) and put it in, I booted up and successfully installed Mac 8.6 to my new HDD! So I stay in this CD, and I got to install Apple Works and it says "Failed to Install, Drive Locked, Please unlock "iMac HDD" before you install again." Well everywhere I look I can't figure out how to unlock the drive... whatever that means.
So then another problem comes up. I figure, ah well, I'll leave the apps for later and just boot up, so I shut down the iMac, took out the disc, and turned on the iMac, to my dismay that flashing "?" and "Finder" logo inside the folder still happens! Even though I KNOW there is a system folder, cause when I boot from the CD, I see the HDD on the desktop, and I click it and all the stuff is there! So why won't it boot! Is this cause its locked? So how would I go about unlocking a drive?
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#11 2008-04-11 10:07 pm
- iBrandon
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Re: iMac G2 Harddrive Replacement Help
Excuse me if I am unaware of your bumping policy but its been about 4 days now... and well, I want it to work...
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#12 2008-04-12 5:54 am
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Re: iMac G2 Harddrive Replacement Help
Sorry, your problem with the "locked" drive still has me puzzled, and I failed to go pass that.
With Mac OS 9 and earlier sometimes you must "bless" the System Folder so that the Mac will recognize it as a bootable drive. Follow the instructions on this Apple document on reblessing a System Folder.
BOYCOTT SONY
"I think the question now is not whether you went to Vietnam or whether you didn't, whether you fought in the war or fought against the war. I think the only question is whether we can find a president smart enough never to make a mistake like that again"--Molly Ivins, way back in 1992
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#13 2008-04-12 11:13 pm
- iBrandon
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Re: iMac G2 Harddrive Replacement Help
I tried "blessing" my System Folder, no go.
My guess is that I need to unlock the hard drive, and unlike other tasks, I don't believe this one is a walk in the park. My computer is SATA based, so trying to use a Windows-based unlocking tool to unlock a IDE hard drive I have plugged into my Optical Drive's IDE port... well its not going to well.
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#14 2008-04-14 8:16 am
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Re: iMac G2 Harddrive Replacement Help
Don't dick with the PC. Boot from the CD and use Disk Utility to properly reformat the HD. If it doesn't work you've got a bum HD, or you need to recheck your jumper settings.
Also, if your iMac "G2" is as old as I think it is (it's actually a G3 - that refers to the CPU. There wasn't any G-Anything before the G3, oddly enough, and the first iMacs used G3 CPUs) you need to partition the drive. Put your system folder on the first partition (7.5GB or less.)
It will work with a single partition drive, and OS 9 will boot from any partition that STARTS in the first 8000000000 bytes of space, (but not X - OS X requires the boot partition to be completely contained in that space) but it's hit or miss in my experience. Better to just do it the safe way.
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#15 2008-04-15 3:53 pm
- iBrandon
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Re: iMac G2 Harddrive Replacement Help
So your saying I have to partition it to be 7.5GB or below? Does that mean that I won't be able to use the other 52.5GB from this HDD I got?
It might be have been a DOA hard drive... I'll hopefully be able to return it then. Also, using some Windows application I confirmed that the drive isn't locked, so I have no idea why it says that.
But I'll try two partitions, one 7.5GB for the System Folder, and the other 52.5GB for I guess whatever...
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#16 2008-04-15 4:08 pm
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Re: iMac G2 Harddrive Replacement Help
The partitioning of the hard drive into 8 GBs and the rest is required if and only if you will install Mac OS X on your iMac sometime in the future. If you are going to stick with OS 8 or 9, then you can set up the drive in a single partition.
BOYCOTT SONY
"I think the question now is not whether you went to Vietnam or whether you didn't, whether you fought in the war or fought against the war. I think the only question is whether we can find a president smart enough never to make a mistake like that again"--Molly Ivins, way back in 1992
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#17 2008-04-16 7:14 am
- iBrandon
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Re: iMac G2 Harddrive Replacement Help
Haza! I got it working! Thanks a lot D'Eyncourt and dvpierce for your help.
Unfortunately, this tale hasn't ended yet. See, the only way to get on the internet threw this old sucker is like American Online Version 4. I never had dial-up, ever, so I don't know if its at all possible to even get on the internet through my iMac G3.
The computer does has a Ethernet port, but I've yet to figure out a way to get on the internet (to hopefully download a newer browser... its also get IE3!) for this iMac G3...
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#18 2008-04-16 9:08 am
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Re: iMac G2 Harddrive Replacement Help
D'Eyncourt wrote:
The partitioning of the hard drive into 8 GBs and the rest is required if and only if you will install Mac OS X on your iMac sometime in the future. If you are going to stick with OS 8 or 9, then you can set up the drive in a single partition.
And sometimes it'll refuse to boot. Mine did.
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#19 2008-04-16 1:43 pm
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Re: iMac G2 Harddrive Replacement Help
dvpierce wrote:
D'Eyncourt wrote:
The partitioning of the hard drive into 8 GBs and the rest is required if and only if you will install Mac OS X on your iMac sometime in the future. If you are going to stick with OS 8 or 9, then you can set up the drive in a single partition.
And sometimes it'll refuse to boot. Mine did.
[snip]
That's odd. I never had such problems with my Beige minitower which is still running OS 9, now with a 120 GB hard drive in a single partition.
BOYCOTT SONY
"I think the question now is not whether you went to Vietnam or whether you didn't, whether you fought in the war or fought against the war. I think the only question is whether we can find a president smart enough never to make a mistake like that again"--Molly Ivins, way back in 1992
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#20 2008-04-16 2:00 pm
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Re: iMac G2 Harddrive Replacement Help

Ymmv, but better safe than sorry, imho.
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