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#26 2008-04-14 11:46 am

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Re: next cat

Chickenhawk wrote:

pirloui wrote:

Would be nice to scrap the finder and traditional tree based filesystem, I'd love a purely spotlight / keyword based file navigation...

oh god no.

please god no.

LukeLucas wrote:

this just makes my head hurt.

We'll see in 10 years where we are.
Arborescence is a totally retro, rooted in the physical world way of doing.
There is no reason a computer file should be in one precise "place", that's a restriction from physics. "one cabinet, one drawer, one folder".

And yes spotlight sucks right now, that doesn't mean it's gonna suck forever. Besides, it wouldn't need to be a search based acces, but for example a keyword cloud, or a hierarchy of keyword relation.

So please, tell me your problem, instead of doing the prima donnas.


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#27 2008-04-14 1:00 pm

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Re: next cat

I don't think PPC support will go away with 10.6.  It just wouldn't be a good business decision.  Well, a good business decision maybe.  After all, everyone running G5's or earlier would be forced to upgrade or retain the older OS.  However, it would be a terrible customer relations decision, so I don't see it happening.  At least not with 10.6. 

Most new stuff will be written in universal so it will run on PPC or Intel.  That's where we're at now, and I don't see that changing.  The only problems will be that older video cards (like ones that came with the PPC machines) will be far outdated for some of the newer software.  Basically, other components will limit compatibility before non-PPC support does.

As for the non tree-based file system.  I'd like to see more of an emphasis on Spotlight, but the traditional file system navigation will be around for a long time.  It will just be less used.  Look at terminal.  You can still use terminal to directly navigate to a file, but Finder looks nicer.  The same will happen with Spotlight.

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#28 2008-04-14 1:30 pm

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Re: next cat

pkmgarf wrote:

The only problems will be that older video cards (like ones that came with the PPC machines) will be far outdated for some of the newer software.  Basically, other components will limit compatibility before non-PPC support does.

When was the last time Apple offered an AGP videocard, even as an upgrade kit?


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#29 2008-04-14 2:09 pm

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Re: next cat

Pariah wrote:

A non-sucking Finder, but we all know that's never going to happen.

Ever.

But it sucks quantitatively and qualitatively less than other things!

big_smile


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#30 2008-04-14 5:33 pm

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Re: next cat

Alien wrote:

What part op "option" are you having trouble understanding? tongue

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No trouble. But my not using such an option would not prevent OTHERS from using it. I do computer support for all branches of my family and a large portion of my friends. This sorting method pisses me off every time I see it, and having it's ill though out stupidity creep into OSX would piss me off even more.


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#31 2008-04-14 5:53 pm

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Re: next cat

Spaceman wrote:

10.6 lolcat

LOL! tongue


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#32 2008-04-14 6:17 pm

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Re: next cat

pirloui wrote:

Chickenhawk wrote:

pirloui wrote:

Would be nice to scrap the finder and traditional tree based filesystem, I'd love a purely spotlight / keyword based file navigation...

oh god no.

please god no.

LukeLucas wrote:

this just makes my head hurt.

We'll see in 10 years where we are.
Arborescence is a totally retro, rooted in the physical world way of doing.
There is no reason a computer file should be in one precise "place", that's a restriction from physics. "one cabinet, one drawer, one folder".

Actually, there are very, very good reasons.


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#33 2008-04-14 7:48 pm

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Re: next cat

dhack21 wrote:

by the time 10.6 ships i really doubt any PPC macs will be covered under applecare.

Exactly. By the time 10.6 ships the newest PPC system will be 5 or maybe 6 years old. I won't be surprised if Apple does support G5s, or at least some G5s but I think a clean break would be better at this point.


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#34 2008-04-14 9:24 pm

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Re: next cat

I don't agree...

The illusion of the window being the folder is broken allready, and we're in a messy in the middle thing right now. If one need a mental handle to the file, let it be so, and it will be represented by an icon. But I don't think we're so incapable of adapting that we won't be able to quit folder based navigation, as it's restrictive and counter productive, in the sense that your classification has physical limits.
It might take a little while for dusty people to adapt, but we've come a long way allready, and it's not like it's going to stop now.

Besides, it would / could be a unified / coherent experience, which we don't have now.

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#35 2008-04-15 12:37 am

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Re: next cat

A decent built-in solitaire game


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#36 2008-04-15 2:02 am

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Re: next cat

dvpierce wrote:

Sounds like you work for a bunch of not very tech-savvy people.

they are a bunch of sexy cutting edge people.  and not the tech cutting edge, as long as it is new and fresh

that wasnt a huge problem with g3 g4 g5 upgrades.  so they may have expected similar results.

i really wished that they made a suck @$$ g5 for laptops and a cooler[as in temp] architechture for g6 if it happened

i also don't beleive that 10.4.11 is perfect which it should be.  the jump from 10 to 10.4 were huge but the jump to 10.5 is galactic.  it could be a trend with 10.6 only going with g5's like some speculate here, and 10.6 could just want vista like specs


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#37 2008-04-15 2:53 am

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Re: next cat

NSX wrote:

dvpierce wrote:

Sounds like you work for a bunch of not very tech-savvy people.

they are a bunch of sexy cutting edge people.  and not the tech cutting edge, as long as it is new and fresh

that wasnt a huge problem with g3 g4 g5 upgrades.  so they may have expected similar results.

I think you just characterized your coworkers as likelier to be up on the latest Starbucks latte variants and similar metro matters than computer issues... therein lies the rub, so to speak, and you made dv's point for him.


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#38 2008-04-15 11:12 am

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Re: next cat

NSX wrote:

dvpierce wrote:

Sounds like you work for a bunch of not very tech-savvy people.

they are a bunch of sexy cutting edge people.  and not the tech cutting edge, as long as it is new and fresh

Ignorant and proud!

that wasnt a huge problem with g3 g4 g5 upgrades.  so they may have expected similar results.

If they're so cutting edge, I'm surprised they even remember the G3s.

i really wished that they made a suck @$$ g5 for laptops and a cooler[as in temp] architechture for g6 if it happened

PPC is dead. Get over it.

i also don't beleive that 10.4.11 is perfect which it should be.

Nothing is perfect, least of all a computer OS.

You should probably hire a decidedly unsexy, tech cutting edge troll of a man to keep you from making stupid mistakes like that again.


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#39 2008-04-15 12:10 pm

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Re: next cat

dvpierce wrote:

If they're so cutting edge, I'm surprised they even remember the G3s.

You should probably hire a decidedly unsexy, tech cutting edge troll of a man to keep you from making stupid mistakes like that again.

im not arguing with you i'm just tellin you guys my horrible experience.

they dont remember g3's i'm talking about the transitions. and what i mean by cutting edge is whatever is new is gold even if it sucks.  a glam type definition very much like paying attention to wot kind of halliburton the next exec has.  impulsive and always trying to top the rest no matter the consequence.

secondly i am not in human resources or anything like that, just the creative part. so, i have no power in finances.  meaning i can't hire those people.  i can hire an artist no prob.

i dunno wot ure talking about making a mistake.  i couldnt make that mistake if i wanted to


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#40 2008-04-15 12:41 pm

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Re: next cat

NSX wrote:

dvpierce wrote:

If they're so cutting edge, I'm surprised they even remember the G3s.

You should probably hire a decidedly unsexy, tech cutting edge troll of a man to keep you from making stupid mistakes like that again.

im not arguing with you i'm just tellin you guys my horrible experience.

they dont remember g3's i'm talking about the transitions. and what i mean by cutting edge is whatever is new is gold even if it sucks.  a glam type definition very much like paying attention to wot kind of halliburton the next exec has.  impulsive and always trying to top the rest no matter the consequence.

secondly i am not in human resources or anything like that, just the creative part. so, i have no power in finances.  meaning i can't hire those people.  i can hire an artist no prob.

i dunno wot ure talking about making a mistake.  i couldnt make that mistake if i wanted to

I mean "you" collectively, as in your company or organization. Like "y'all."


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#41 2008-04-15 1:36 pm

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Re: next cat

dvpierce wrote:

mrreet2001 wrote:

dvpierce wrote:


The same way I always feel when something newer, better, and incompatible than/with what I have is released.

Nonplussed.

Leopard being released doesn't make my 10.4 iBook G4 not run Classic the way it did before 10/26/07. People buying Intel iMacs doesn't make Pro Tools run less well on your G5s, either.

Use what works.

many apps require the new OS to run

Not if you don't update them.

you have to update itunes and quick time if you use the store


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#42 2008-04-15 1:50 pm

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Re: next cat

user wrote:

10.6 Ceiling Cat

So . . . my iSight will be on all the time?  blush

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#43 2008-04-15 1:53 pm

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Re: next cat

Bat wrote:

pkmgarf wrote:

The only problems will be that older video cards (like ones that came with the PPC machines) will be far outdated for some of the newer software.  Basically, other components will limit compatibility before non-PPC support does.

When was the last time Apple offered an AGP videocard, even as an upgrade kit?

A while, I'm sure.  However, what I was getting at is that Apple will indirectly drop PPC support by having required specs that are above what an original PPC machine would have been.  For example, an original G4 era graphics card doesn't support core image or quartz (I know some do, but this is just an example).  However, those older machines can be upgraded to meet the new specs.  What I'm getting at is that I think the actual code will still be Universal.  I don't see a reason for Apple to abandon Universal coding and switch to a strictly x86 one.  Maybe they will, but I don't see it being a smart decision.

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#44 2008-04-15 3:07 pm

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Re: next cat

DukeofNuke wrote:

A decent built-in solitaire game

what?

now you want to play GAMES on the Mac?

TEH HORRORZ


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#45 2008-04-15 3:24 pm

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Re: next cat

macnuke wrote:

DukeofNuke wrote:

A decent built-in solitaire game

what?

now you want to play GAMES on the Mac?

TEH HORRORZ

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#46 2008-04-16 12:03 am

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Re: next cat

10.6 Alley Cat


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#47 2008-04-16 12:34 am

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Re: next cat

OS X is such a pussy OS.


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#48 2008-04-16 7:45 am

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Re: next cat

OSX .6 Bob cat ... for the new line of headless macs ... budump ching


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#49 2008-04-16 9:27 am

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Re: next cat

"Frog blast the vent cores!"

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Aw, he's no fun, he fell right over.

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