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#1 2008-04-23 1:56 am

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Mike Capps 'not impressed' by Wii

Don't shoot the messenger again, 'k?

Wii is a "weird virus," says Epic Games' president

There’s no disputing that Epic Games continually pushes the envelope of gaming technology, particularly in the area of visuals. The game developer’s Unreal Engine 3 powers a number of current-generation games with some whiz-bang graphical effects on PC, Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3, but not any on the Wii. The reason for that may be Epic Games’ apparent distaste on some of the technical aspects of Nintendo’s latest console.

Speaking in an interview with IGN, Epic Games president Mike Capps said in response to a question on if the developer would consider making a game on the Wii, “No, we go forward, not back. It makes more sense for us to invest in the next-generation tech.... How you take an engine that's all based on shaders and materials and run it on hardware that doesn't support shaders is just impossible. It's about as easy as PSP for us. Maybe it would make sense, but it makes more sense to invest going forward.”

Capps admits that Nintendo has a good thing going on, adding, “They know what they're doing and they make money better than anyone else does. As an investor you love 'em, but as a next-gen console technology maker, they don't run UE3 and they can't.”

That’s not to say that the Wii doesn’t have its place as something other than a graphical showcase. “The first time I played a videogame with my parents – aging myself a bit – was on Atari 2600. The next time I played a videogame with my parents, 25 years later or whatever, was Wii Tennis,” said Capps. “So it's about bringing people together, families, Thanksgiving, all that. I think it's kind of like a weird virus because I have not yet found a reason to play with my Wii since then.”

[Maybe it's all those gaming groupies...wink]

At a recent Midway Games event, Epic Games showcased Unreal Tournament III for Xbox 360, which will ship with five maps and two player models exclusive for the system. Unfortunately, Microsoft’s restrictions on Xbox Live content dictate that the Xbox 360 version will not feature the mod support that current exists in the PS3 game.

Epic Games' President Not Impressed by Wii


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#2 2008-04-23 4:44 am

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Re: Mike Capps 'not impressed' by Wii

roll

I wasn't impressed with DIRTY ARMOR HOVERBOARD DEATHMATCH 2008, so perhaps we're even.


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#3 2008-04-23 5:07 am

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Re: Mike Capps 'not impressed' by Wii

I have to agree.  The Wii was a mere novelty item for me.  I had mine for a few months and sold it.

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#4 2008-04-23 12:52 pm

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Re: Mike Capps 'not impressed' by Wii

who


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#5 2008-04-23 1:31 pm

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Re: Mike Capps 'not impressed' by Wii

mudogramx wrote:

I have to agree.  The Wii was a mere novelty item for me.  I had mine for a few months and sold it.

same here although I haven't sold mine ... I bet I haven't played it more than 6 hours total ... and I bought it release day.


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#6 2008-04-23 2:52 pm

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Re: Mike Capps 'not impressed' by Wii

the wii wouldn't be so bad if game designers had half a clue on how to utilize the wii remote. for me bad controls will ruin even the best of games.

I've tried to sell my wii but can't find anyone that wants to buy it. shrug I guess I'll buy mario kart when it comes out this weekend and see it that peeks my interest in the wii again.

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#7 2008-04-23 3:32 pm

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Re: Mike Capps 'not impressed' by Wii

I like the wii, but I have so little time to play games that I'm fine with the few really great titles that have come out.


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#8 2008-04-23 5:24 pm

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Re: Mike Capps 'not impressed' by Wii

Not true here... I've beaten Super Paper Mario twice and I am almost done the final evel on the third time, and with Paper Mario for N64 and Super Mario Galaxy almost done for the first time, along with all others at different levels, with NinjabreadMan being the only one that I have only played once (because it sucks)


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#9 2008-04-23 6:15 pm

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Re: Mike Capps 'not impressed' by Wii

Super Mario Galaxy pulled me away from Rock Band, and I can't wait until Mario Kart Wii. Like bratboy, attorney-at-law, it's just hard to find time to play.

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#10 2008-04-24 10:07 am

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Re: Mike Capps 'not impressed' by Wii

If I'd known how little I'd use my Wii I wouldn't have bought it. The thing is it's not that I actually dislike the Wii or the games I have for it but when game time comes around I usually feel like playing something else.


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#11 2008-04-24 1:24 pm

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Re: Mike Capps 'not impressed' by Wii

I play with my friend's Wii, from time to time; often with a bunch of other friends, and sometimes his parents.  I can't imagine that playing alone would be much fun.  I don't know any Wii-owner who doesn't also have a PS3/360/Gaming PC.

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#12 2008-04-24 4:44 pm

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Re: Mike Capps 'not impressed' by Wii

RobertoBaldwin wrote:

Super Mario Galaxy pulled me away from Rock Band, and I can't wait until Mario Kart Wii. Like bratboy, attorney-at-law, it's just hard to find time to play.

But easy to log in to XBL and watch videos, listen to music etc. while [s]Wiiing[/s] tackling those late-night production jobs that so enhappenate the readership.

(Hope the furniture's been moved. Those jobs take so much space... big_smile)


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#13 2008-04-24 5:11 pm

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Re: Mike Capps 'not impressed' by Wii

lol

It's easier to work while watching a video then while battling the flood. Believe me, I wish it was the other way around!

I have been playing Rock Band quite a bit, so you gotta give me credit for that.

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#14 2008-04-24 11:03 pm

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Re: Mike Capps 'not impressed' by Wii

Theres more to gaming than just Mario..nuff said there lol


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#15 2008-04-25 10:53 am

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Re: Mike Capps 'not impressed' by Wii

The DS didn't really have any good games for at least a year. The PS2 also had a load of really really terrible games. Not saying it wouldn't be nice to have more good games for the console but acting as if this is a new phenomenon just comes across as sour grapes.


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#16 2008-04-25 1:53 pm

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Re: Mike Capps 'not impressed' by Wii

Ya they've blundered the launch games for years now. Last console I can remember with a truely excellent set of launch titles was the Dreamcast. Soul Calibur, Sonic Adventure, NFL2k, etc...think I bought almost every launch title and played them all to death. Course the console was based on the arcade architecture that was already in place. Dev teams didn't have to really wait to get their hands on kits plus it was easy to program for being windows based.


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#17 2008-04-25 1:59 pm

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Re: Mike Capps 'not impressed' by Wii

NightCougar_37 wrote:

Theres more to gaming than just Mario..nuff said there lol

There's Zelda as well. wink

A "good game" is somewhat subjective, after all some players and reviewers tend dismiss certain game genres and companies off hand.

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#18 2008-04-25 9:24 pm

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Re: Mike Capps 'not impressed' by Wii

Having worked on the Wii, I can say that it's very limited in what it can do graphically. Both the XBox 360 and PS3 have full-fledged shader systems, while the Wii has a set number of things you can do on the hardware. So not only is it much slower, it's not flexible enough to do most fancy effects. Sure, you can still make a decent looking game, and with good enough artwork you can make up some of the deficiencies, but you'll have to bake in a lot of the effects rather than have dynamic effects, while some of the other effects are outright impossible. The other problem is the lack of RAM (88 MB with 24 MB main/graphics RAM, 64 MB slower RAM) which means you can't have a lot of heavy duty assets loaded at once.

That said, the Wii does have its place. It's just that high end graphics isn't one of them. Since that's the main focus of the Unreal 3 engine, it's obviously not going to be fit for the Wii.


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#19 2008-04-25 10:10 pm

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Re: Mike Capps 'not impressed' by Wii

Indeed

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#20 2008-04-25 10:26 pm

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Re: Mike Capps 'not impressed' by Wii

I agree, there are just some games that the wii can't be played in. The differences in graphics between the wii and the ps3/xbox360 is really quite high. I got the wii and ps3 though, so no problems for me smile

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#21 2008-04-26 10:07 am

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Re: Mike Capps 'not impressed' by Wii

akb825 wrote:

Having worked on the Wii, I can say that it's very limited in what it can do graphically. Both the XBox 360 and PS3 have full-fledged shader systems, while the Wii has a set number of things you can do on the hardware. So not only is it much slower, it's not flexible enough to do most fancy effects. Sure, you can still make a decent looking game, and with good enough artwork you can make up some of the deficiencies, but you'll have to bake in a lot of the effects rather than have dynamic effects, while some of the other effects are outright impossible. The other problem is the lack of RAM (88 MB with 24 MB main/graphics RAM, 64 MB slower RAM) which means you can't have a lot of heavy duty assets loaded at once.

That said, the Wii does have its place. It's just that high end graphics isn't one of them. Since that's the main focus of the Unreal 3 engine, it's obviously not going to be fit for the Wii.

Exactly, this is just someone who doesn't really have a product for a specific market criticizing them which makes complete sense! lol

But yeah, you don't buy a wii for the teh preties.


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#22 2008-04-26 12:48 pm

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Re: Mike Capps 'not impressed' by Wii

Well I have a Nintendo Wii and enjoy playing Metroid 3, Zelda, Super Mario Galaxy, Medal of Honor Heroes 2, etc. I think I may pick up Okami and Mario Cart this summer after my home renovations. That's when I will be replacing my 27" CRT Toshiba TV with a nice 40" - 46" LCD TV (that's why I went for the Wii vs XBox360/PS3 cause my TV was 480i). With the new TV I'll be ready to jump on getting a XBox 360/PS3, now the hard part is choosing which system. PS3 has some good games and Blu-Ray, but then again XBox 360 has a crap load of good games and may (if rumors are true) have a BluRay add-on. Decisions, decisions.


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#23 2008-04-26 1:41 pm

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Re: Mike Capps 'not impressed' by Wii

NAG wrote:

akb25 wrote:

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Exactly, this is just someone who doesn't really have a product for a specific market criticizing them which makes complete sense! lol

But yeah, you don't buy a wii for the teh preties.

I think both are likely true. Capps looks like a man with little use for N personally, and of course he has zero business interest in the Wii as President of Epic. They're not making Jazz Jackrabbit 2 anytime soon, & UE3 just won't run on the Wii.

Lee_Roy, most analysts think a 360 BD add-on is just a matter of time. August is the likely timeframe for the all-65nm version to reach production, ending reliability woes.


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#24 2008-04-26 10:32 pm

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I'm not entirely convinced that "Moving forward" = Better graphics.

I mean, you're still using a stick to aim! lol


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#25 2008-04-26 10:43 pm

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Re: Mike Capps 'not impressed' by Wii

Yup, game play is important too and the lets face it, unless VR gets implemented and seriously improved, there always gonna be limits on how immersive a game can be, particularly if the story is lacking.

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