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#1 2008-04-20 11:25 am
- Richard D Miller
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getting started as a professional
I am at a point of reconsidering my life's direction of employment. I have some problems.
1. I will likely not be able to earn a degree at this time. AA or otherwise.
2. I live in a town with 17,000 people. Built on Ag and Industry.
When I was in High school I took Graphics classes and really enjoyed it. (circa 1993). I am not limiting myself to graphics. I am open to suggestions that I may not be familiar with.
I really don't know where to turn. I have looked for jobs that are Mac friendly and nothing ever pops up. Where do you find employment? Is there a secret web site for mac professionals. I know people make a living of of the Mac, but how? Freelance work, regular employee, own your own business?
How many of you are Apple certified,and what certification? What did that do for you.
I am sorry about the chaos in the post. I am just a little frustrated.
Thank You
Richard Miller
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#2 2008-04-20 12:00 pm
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Re: getting started as a professional
I don't quite know what you're looking to do. It looks like you're looking for any job that allows you to work with a Mac. What specifically do you want to do?
I'm an interaction designer, and I use a Mac at work. But, it certainly helps to have a design / fine art degree and or to live in a good city for design if you want to be more then a word-of-mouth freelance "graphics" guy.
IMHO, we live in a society where just about anyone can get their hands on desktop publishing tools and where we're bombarded by (bad) graphic design day in and day out. As a result of that everyone thinks they can take a crack at being a designer. The market is saturated and you need to be good to stand out.
As for looking for work, I usually submit myself to various creative recruiters. But, you really need the aforementioned degree / good city combo for that to work out for you.
Why is school not an option for you?
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#3 2008-04-20 12:55 pm
- Richard D Miller
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Re: getting started as a professional
the saturation is a reason why I had not really followed the graphics. I have always been told that I was good( back in the day) but I know true talent and I am not a true artist. I Just made simple pleasing designs.
truth be told I really do not know what exists. I would perfer to work in video, but the area I am at is about 5-10 years out before a videographer could consider a living here.
It pains me that the popularity of the Mac is growing and there seems to be no way to capitalize on it. I have worked almost every odd job an have nothing to show for it. I don't want to work in the industrial trade. gave that the old try this last year.
I have tried school 4 different times over the last 11 years. Failure. Not academically but cold not balance family, job and school. I may try again, but my history is not looking good.
Perhaps there is nothing that I will truly love doing.
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#4 2008-04-20 1:07 pm
Re: getting started as a professional
i work in the music industry and everybody uses mac! maybe you can try advertising for your interests. both still and video
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#5 2008-04-20 7:31 pm
- Graphic Autist
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Re: getting started as a professional
I use a Mac at work and hate my job.
I work in the Hell known as "Pre-press."
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#6 2008-04-20 8:08 pm
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Re: getting started as a professional
I do freelance security consulting using Macs as my primary tool of choice.
As a freelancer I would suggest you find some way of getting into a town that is larger. You'll have more potential customers and they will also have deeper pockets.
At some point you will need a degree AND a cert or two. It's just the nature of the beast.
Not to be down on you or anything, but I wouldn't try and find employment in a town of 17,000 that paid enough from doing solely computer work. It's just way too hard and people don't want to pay what you are worth.
I won't discuss what I charge clients, but I can easily charge 3 or 4 times the amount I would some small business owner in Podunk, Nowhere. See he can't pay it, but the multi-million dollar plastic fabrication company in downtown wont bat an eye at my bill where as the small fry might have a heart attack or something.
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#7 2008-04-20 10:25 pm
- Mr. Happypants
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Re: getting started as a professional
Graphic Autist wrote:
I use a Mac at work and hate my job.
I work in the Hell known as "Pre-press."
Amen to that, printing will eat your soul and not even get heartburn.
Richard: How about IT for Macs? You could get certified fairly easily (I'd imagine) but as mentioned, finding gainful employment will likely involve moving to a larger city.
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#8 2008-04-21 12:56 pm
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Re: getting started as a professional
Richard, try indeed.com. It's a job search aggregator site, it's not Mac specific (you probably would only find that on Apple's internal job posting site) but it's very helpful. You type in search keywords, your location, and search radius, and it searches all the big job search site for hits. It will even search local newspapers if they are online.
I save searches for different cities that I wouldn't mind moving to, as well as my own area. It's also a good way to keep tabs on whatever industry you may be involved in.
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#9 2008-04-21 10:30 pm
- fuzzynormal
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Re: getting started as a professional
|| "Perhaps there is nothing that I will truly love doing."
Well, only people that feel they can contribute in some kind of way find it worthwhile to endure the struggle of being "Pro". That rationale can be pretty wide, but you get the gist.
The truly truly gifted and lucky can bypass the self doubt, but the reality is you have to trust yourself. If you don't, then I'd say, really, don't bother trying.
Excuses, nobody cares about them. Do it if you're serious.
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#10 2008-04-22 8:40 am
- zoees
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Re: getting started as a professional
And no matter how alluring the price tag is for Quack- don't do it. Stick with Adobe. You will have far less issues.
Do you live near any large cities? Is commuting an option?
"I am treated as evil by people who claim that they are being oppressed because they are not allowed to force me to practice what they do".—D. Dale Gulledge
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#11 2008-04-23 9:21 am
Re: getting started as a professional
I wish I knew. I've got mad programming skills. Designed my own animation library and everything. (Back in my Amiga days I wrote my own 3D engine). Been doing it since I was 11 years old, but nevertheless: Don't know anybody in the biz, and don't have the sheepskin (two classes away...probably will never finish owing to depression). I think you can make it any industry you want if you have the get up and go and know how to shmoose. But my get up and go got up and went very early in life, and I'm terminally shy.
Of course, one way to get started is to design your own website service or shareware software. In gaming, its pretty common to get hired based on developing a very good modification to current games available.
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#12 2008-04-23 11:59 am
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Re: getting started as a professional
It's not how much you know, but who you know.
That's how my gig has kept going for the last 15 years. And maybe a little talent.
"I am treated as evil by people who claim that they are being oppressed because they are not allowed to force me to practice what they do".—D. Dale Gulledge
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#13 2008-04-24 11:53 am
- grumbleboy
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Re: getting started as a professional
With a town of only 17,000, it shouldn't be too difficult to instigate a non-violent take over of a municipality. If the proper munitions and tactics are used, no weapon ever need be discharged. Once in control, you should have a good six to eight months before any National Guardsmen are deployed (most of them are busy overseas) giving you plenty of time to liquidate as much of the town's assets as possible. Abscond with your family to a small Caribbean nation that doesn't have a U.S. extradition treaty and you're all set.
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