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#1 2008-06-19 9:41 am

radarman
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How cops really feel

http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2 … to-police/

1. “Judge on-site.”

Carl wanted to make a single point: he felt cops should have the freedom to act as “judge on-site.” (See Chance’s comment, #6.) Carl preferred working in poor communities because, in his opinion, they had a healthy distrust of the court system.

“You want to really lower crime?” Carl began. “Let cops enforce the rules. The whole way. You ask any cop on the street and he’ll tell you that he would love to dish out the punishment, on the spot.”

“You want to be the cop and the jury?” I asked, incredulously.

    You laugh, but the good cops never let problems get to judges. They are judge on-site, I like to say. And, I don’t mean just for stupid things like kids shoplifting — you might get the kid by the neck, make him to apologize and work for the store owner for free. I mean for serious things.

    In Chicago, back in the 1980’s, we had all these problems with drug dealers selling their dope on the street. We used to catch them and bring them in front of the older folks. We used to take their drug money and give it to all the neighbors on the block! They loved it, and the f–ing gangbangers hated it, of course. But, the people on the block always said to us, “We know you can’t get these guys off the streets, so keep doing what you are doing.”

In some ways, I agree - I think a lot of crap could be handled more effectively on the spot by embarrassing the perp. However, later on you see examples of cops who take things too far.

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#2 2008-06-19 9:59 am

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Re: How cops really feel

No thanks. From my limited experience, beat cops tend to be quite dim. In fact, there was a thread on here recently about how some police departments won't allow candidates with high I.Q.s to become street cops.

Are those who get through the ones you want deciding your 'punishment' off the cuff?

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#3 2008-06-19 10:17 am

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Re: How cops really feel

A recipe for disaster IMHO.


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#4 2008-06-19 10:17 am

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Re: How cops really feel

Bad idea.

The guy even (unwittingly) destroys his whole argument by pining for the "good old days" of the 1980s.

Is he kidding?
One would think that a study of policing in the '80s and '70s is a lesson on what not to do.


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#5 2008-06-19 10:28 am

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Re: How cops really feel

I'm all for this


"Perhaps if there were more Americans who had the courage to stand up to idiocy maybe we wouldn't have such an awful country." ~ VegasACF

I couldn't deal with a clone of myself. I would probably kill him inside a week, and tell the police it was justifiable homisuicide, and tell them to sit around and hang out with me for a week to show them why. ~ Dan

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#6 2008-06-19 10:36 am

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Re: How cops really feel

What scares me is when once insane ideas that where considered to kooky they where the stuff of post-apocalyptic sci-fi is now bantered about at least by one person as a good idea.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judge_Dredd

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#7 2008-06-19 10:48 am

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Re: How cops really feel

“You want to really lower crime?” Carl began. “Let cops enforce the rules. The whole way. You ask any cop on the street and he’ll tell you that he would love to dish out the punishment, on the spot.”

I think these cops need to be reminded of what their job actually is. Maybe a lesson from Theodore Roosevelt who, while a deputy in the badlands, tracked and captured thieves and instead of summary execution he took them overland for days so they could be turned over to the nearest sheriff for justice under the law.


I still believe in liberalism today as much as I ever did, but, oh, there was a happy time when I believed in liberals.

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#8 2008-06-19 10:52 am

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Re: How cops really feel

It's sort of how they do it in China -- the prosecutors decide sentence. Is that the way you wanna go?


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#9 2008-06-19 11:06 am

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Re: How cops really feel

2 words: Kangaroo court


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#10 2008-06-19 11:19 am

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Re: How cops really feel

"In Chicago, back in the 1980’s, we had all these problems with drug dealers selling their dope on the street. We used to catch them and bring them in front of the older folks. We used to take their drug money and give it to all the neighbors on the block! They loved it, and the f–ing gangbangers hated it, of course. But, the people on the block always said to us, “We know you can’t get these guys off the streets, so keep doing what you are doing.”

Yeah- well I to break to him and to all that believe his BS- it didn't work. Besides I read more articles about cops stealing the drugs and money from the entrepreneurs (hence forth I will refer to drug dealers as entrepreneurs) and reselling or taking them for themselves. What a load of crap. smurfing hypocrites.


"I am treated as evil by people who claim that they are being oppressed because they are not allowed to force me to practice what they do".—D. Dale Gulledge

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#11 2008-06-19 12:16 pm

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Re: How cops really feel

Oath wrote:

What scares me is when once insane ideas that where considered to kooky they where the stuff of post-apocalyptic sci-fi is now bantered about at least by one person as a good idea.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judge_Dredd

I got the same image
It is the third millenium. The world has changed. Climate, Nations, all were in upheaval. the Earth transformed into a poisonous, scorched dessert, known as "The Cursed Earth". The world's population has crowded into a few Megacities, where it created a voilence so powerful, the justice system could not control. Law as we knew it, colapsed. From the decay, rose a new order, a new style of justice enforcers. They were the police, jury and executioner all in one. They were, The Judges.

http://www.imdb.com/video/screenplay/vi1336475929/


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#12 2008-06-19 2:42 pm

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Re: How cops really feel

"I AM THE LAW!"
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#13 2008-06-19 3:03 pm

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Re: How cops really feel

Of course cops want to dole out the justice.

Good thing they mostly can't.


Aw, he's no fun, he fell right over.

Unless you become as little children, there's no way you will believe this crap.

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#14 2008-06-19 3:03 pm

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Re: How cops really feel

smurf, you won't catch them giving that money back out to the community these days.  That goes to buy new police cruisers and guns.


"One thing we've learned is there's a difference between being disappointed and having madmen in authority."

                                                                   --Paul Krugman

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#15 2008-06-19 5:24 pm

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Re: How cops really feel

Judge and Jury is an improvement but doesn't go far enough. They need to be executioner as well.


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Jenny had a pistol in the other
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#16 2008-06-20 8:26 am

user
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Re: How cops really feel

"So tell me, punk, you feel lucky today?"

Not a good situation when cops think Dirty Harry is real.


Aw, he's no fun, he fell right over.

Unless you become as little children, there's no way you will believe this crap.

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#17 2008-06-20 8:48 am

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Re: How cops really feel

There are always "efficiency" arguments to be made to support totalitarian structures.
All those pesky rights and procedures sure get in the way sometimes.


"and it's not surprising that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
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#18 2008-06-20 9:59 am

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Re: How cops really feel

bratboy wrote:

smurf, you won't catch them giving that money back out to the community these days.  That goes to buy new police cruisers and guns.

And more crap to hang from those retarded ass utility belts.

Seriously- have you seen one lately? It's a wonder their uniform stays up. Once again, I guess, you just can't teach stoooopid.


"I am treated as evil by people who claim that they are being oppressed because they are not allowed to force me to practice what they do".—D. Dale Gulledge

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#19 2008-06-20 10:15 am

user
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Re: How cops really feel

I had a Bat Belt when I was a kid.

It was cool.


Aw, he's no fun, he fell right over.

Unless you become as little children, there's no way you will believe this crap.

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#20 2008-06-20 11:06 am

zoees
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Re: How cops really feel

user wrote:

I had a Bat Belt when I was a kid.

It was cool.

Me too. And it was definitely cool. Except I was 5.


"I am treated as evil by people who claim that they are being oppressed because they are not allowed to force me to practice what they do".—D. Dale Gulledge

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#21 2008-06-20 11:51 am

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Re: How cops really feel

So was I (of course, I'm talking about the Adam West version). There's a movie in my parent's collection of my brother and me in Batman and Robin outfits that we made ourselves.

I think I wore a pair of my sister's tights...

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#22 2008-06-20 12:19 pm

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Re: How cops really feel

user wrote:

"So tell me, punk, you feel lucky today?"

Not a good situation when cops think Dirty Harry is real.

Since we're so off topic already I thought I'd share a tidbit I learned last night.  The actor who played the Scorpio Killer in Dirty Harry also played Garek on Deep Space 9.  Blew my mind... just a little.


Grandfatherly advice:  You can drink 'em pretty, but you can't drink 'em smart.

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#23 2008-06-20 1:00 pm

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Re: How cops really feel

Kinda hard to imagine Garek whining "I have my rights!".


Aw, he's no fun, he fell right over.

Unless you become as little children, there's no way you will believe this crap.

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#24 2008-06-20 2:05 pm

Pithecanthropus
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Re: How cops really feel

I know what yer thinkin'.  Is his phaser power used up?  To tell you the truth, with all the excitement, I don't know myself.  What you need to be askin' yourself now is, "Do I feel lucky?"  Well, do ya, punk?


Grandfatherly advice:  You can drink 'em pretty, but you can't drink 'em smart.

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#25 2008-06-20 2:11 pm

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Re: How cops really feel

Seein as how this is a Magnum, the largest phaser they make and would blow your, er, "head" clean off...


Aw, he's no fun, he fell right over.

Unless you become as little children, there's no way you will believe this crap.

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