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Probably just tax evasion IMO

mrreet2001 wrote:

pirloui wrote:

Probably just tax evasion IMO

If he cashes in any of those stocks he has to pay tax on that ... how is he evading anything?

Not that I know the US system, but for what I know there are plenty of extras and other benefits and so on that wouldn't be taxed. I might be wrong of course.

pirloui wrote:

mrreet2001 wrote:

pirloui wrote:

Probably just tax evasion IMO

If he cashes in any of those stocks he has to pay tax on that ... how is he evading anything?

Not that I know the US system, but for what I know there are plenty of extras and other benefits and so on that wouldn't be taxed. I might be wrong of course.

most benefits are also tax free.

mrreet2001 wrote:

pirloui wrote:

mrreet2001 wrote:

If he cashes in any of those stocks he has to pay tax on that ... how is he evading anything?

Not that I know the US system, but for what I know there are plenty of extras and other benefits and so on that wouldn't be taxed. I might be wrong of course.

most benefits are also tax free.

That was my point, but whatever

Leopard on PC with ZERO patching? Sound good to me, I like having choice. Would probably go with Apple hardware anyway, depending of budget.

As for Apple hardware being cannibalized, I don't see why it should if it's concurential.

People in general probably won't care, and probably wouldn't consider buying a Mac even if Apple offered a comparable hardware value -- two main reasons being familiarity and compatibility.  Among those willing to think different, however, I think the situation is much more in favor of the hackers versus the general population.  The rampant iPhone hacking is a good example of this (it's believed that about 27% of all iPhones are hacked).  It goes to show that when people want something badly enough, they'll do what it takes to get it.  In the case of EFI-X, however, the dongle is so trivial that anybody could get it to work.  Considering the hundreds of thousands of existing hackintosh users, such a trivial solution has the potential to push that number over a million and beyond.  How far beyond will depend on the degree of resistance from Apple.  Thus far, Apple has addressed the hackintosh exactly as I expected they would -- by ignoring it altogether.  Since hacks like this spread by word of mouth, confronting the problem publicly would only draw undue attention, and increase hackintosh awareness.  By ignoring it completely, I think Apple will succeed in keeping the hackintosh at bay.  In the absolute worst case scenario, the hackintosh community might grow large enough to warrant a competing tower from Apple -- mind you, that's the absolute worst case.

Last edited by Mr. T (2008-06-24 1:41 am)

Antonio wrote:

Mr. T wrote:

People in general probably won't care, and probably wouldn't consider buying a Mac even if Apple offered a comparable hardware value -- two main reasons being familiarity and compatibility.  Among those willing to think different, however, I think the situation is much more in favor of the hackers versus the general population.  The rampant iPhone hacking is a good example of this (it's believed that about 27% of all iPhones are hacked).  It goes to show that when people want something badly enough, they'll do what it takes to get it.  In the case of EFI-X, however, the dongle is so trivial that anybody could get it to work.  Considering the hundreds of thousands of existing hackintosh users, such a trivial solution has the potential to push that number over a million and beyond.  How far beyond will depend on the degree of resistance from Apple.  Thus far, Apple has addressed the hackintosh exactly as I expected they would -- by ignoring it altogether.  Since hacks like this spread by word of mouth, confronting the problem publicly would only draw undue attention, and increase hackintosh awareness.  By ignoring it completely, I think Apple will succeed in keeping the hackintosh at bay.  In the absolute worst case scenario, the hackintosh community might grow large enough to warrant a competing tower from Apple -- mind you, that's the absolute worst case.

I like this reply. A lot. Do you have a sister?

Thanks man.

No, I don't have a sister.  But if I did, I'd have started pimping her out on her twelfth birthday; believe me, you wouldn't want her now.

I know of a number of people who have hacked their iPhones, heck last time I went into an AT&T store two of the reps had their hacked, and willingly told me about it.

Mr. T wrote:

People in general probably won't care, and probably wouldn't consider buying a Mac even if Apple offered a comparable hardware value -- two main reasons being familiarity and compatibility.  Among those willing to think different, however, I think the situation is much more in favor of the hackers versus the general population.  The rampant iPhone hacking is a good example of this (it's believed that about 27% of all iPhones are hacked).  It goes to show that when people want something badly enough, they'll do what it takes to get it.  In the case of EFI-X, however, the dongle is so trivial that anybody could get it to work.  Considering the hundreds of thousands of existing hackintosh users, such a trivial solution has the potential to push that number over a million and beyond.  How far beyond will depend on the degree of resistance from Apple.  Thus far, Apple has addressed the hackintosh exactly as I expected they would -- by ignoring it altogether.  Since hacks like this spread by word of mouth, confronting the problem publicly would only draw undue attention, and increase hackintosh awareness.  By ignoring it completely, I think Apple will succeed in keeping the hackintosh at bay.  In the absolute worst case scenario, the hackintosh community might grow large enough to warrant a competing tower from Apple -- mind you, that's the absolute worst case.

If Apple were confident that their "Apple Branded Computer" clause in their EULA would stand up in court I think we would have seen swift action against anyone offering a hack or shipping a commercial Hackentosh.
Apple has NEVER been shy about defending what they perceive to be their rights and even giving themselves a public relations black eye never stopped them before. I would say Apple's lack of action in this area is about the best evidence to date that their EULA would not stand if challenged in court.
It's pretty much the same reasoning behind the way the NRA never pursues it's cases to the Supreme Court. Better to have the legality of something be suspect rather than take the risk of a court ruling against you.

Pariah wrote:

Mr. T wrote:

People in general probably won't care, and probably wouldn't consider buying a Mac even if Apple offered a comparable hardware value -- two main reasons being familiarity and compatibility.  Among those willing to think different, however, I think the situation is much more in favor of the hackers versus the general population.  The rampant iPhone hacking is a good example of this (it's believed that about 27% of all iPhones are hacked).  It goes to show that when people want something badly enough, they'll do what it takes to get it.  In the case of EFI-X, however, the dongle is so trivial that anybody could get it to work.  Considering the hundreds of thousands of existing hackintosh users, such a trivial solution has the potential to push that number over a million and beyond.  How far beyond will depend on the degree of resistance from Apple.  Thus far, Apple has addressed the hackintosh exactly as I expected they would -- by ignoring it altogether.  Since hacks like this spread by word of mouth, confronting the problem publicly would only draw undue attention, and increase hackintosh awareness.  By ignoring it completely, I think Apple will succeed in keeping the hackintosh at bay.  In the absolute worst case scenario, the hackintosh community might grow large enough to warrant a competing tower from Apple -- mind you, that's the absolute worst case.

If Apple were confident that their "Apple Branded Computer" clause in their EULA would stand up in court I think we would have seen swift action against anyone offering a hack or shipping a commercial Hackentosh.
Apple has NEVER been shy about defending what they perceive to be their rights and even giving themselves a public relations black eye never stopped them before. I would say Apple's lack of action in this area is about the best evidence to date that their EULA would not stand if challenged in court.
It's pretty much the same reasoning behind the way the NRA never pursues it's cases to the Supreme Court. Better to have the legality of something be suspect rather than take the risk of a court ruling against you.

I agree with this, but I think there's multiple factors at play.  The legality issue is probably the biggest, but it's related to the point I raised:  If Apple could stop the hacks legally, then the unintended consequences of such a response (inadvertently promoting the hackintosh) would be mitigated.  Apple must strongly suspect that it dosen't have a legal leg to stand on.

Last edited by Mr. T (2008-06-25 12:36 am)

Apparently not.

Czachorski wrote:

except for pay for them in the manner in which Apple desires to sell them.

The "way Apple wants to sell them" doesn't suit everyone...

That's up to Apple.  In the meantime, EFI-X is going to make a smurfload of money.  To be clear, though, I don't care whether Apple meets my needs or not.  Though I believe its in Apple's best interest to release a consumer tower, I don't actually care whether they release one or not; not even a little.

Last edited by Mr. T (2008-06-27 11:36 pm)