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That might be worse. One cannot arrive at his stated position by actually knowing a damned thing about the matter.

Bren wrote:

Barack Obama recently made some awfully uninformed, ignorant statements about late-term abortions and under what circumstances he thinks the procedure is justified. So disappointing.

http://tinyurl.com/5zosh6

When will these politicians ever learn? If you're a lefty, there's no damned way in Hell any conservatives are going to vote for you

There are a hell of a lot of swing voters, and there are a lot of people who traditionally vote one way that are willing to switch.
I'm probably going to vote for Obama. Not because of this though. And I'm about as right as they come.

There is this continued perception that righties vote according to party affiliation. That just isn't so - and it makes me wonder about those who make such claims - my guess is many of them vote according to party affiliation. Not a smart way to vote IMHO.

Well, hell, EVERYBODY wants free pineapple.

I don't click links that are obscured by that tinyurl bullsmurf..

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Tallgeese wrote:

resedit wrote:

There is this continued perception that righties vote according to party affiliation. That just isn't so - and it makes me wonder about those who make such claims - my guess is many of them vote according to party affiliation. Not a smart way to vote IMHO.

So Republicans who believe in fiscal responsibility will continue to elect Reagans and Bushes despite the skyrocketing deficits they run, Republicans who are Christian Conservative voted for Reagans and Bushes despite the total lack of action on abortion, etc. because righties don't, by and large, vote by party affiliation just as much (if not more than) as the lefties do?

You need to factor in the other guy too.
This year you're going to have alot of R's that really dislike McCain vote for him instead of Obama.
Lesser of two evils bit you've heard many times I'm sure.
Me, I'm tired of that game. If the Libertarians were running a real L this year I'd do what I did last election and vote for him. Earlier I halfway leaned toward and liked Obama but as time goes by I'm liking less and less.

user wrote:

Hey, if res is going vote for Bama you can hold your nose and vote for him too.

If I could figure out how he thinks he's going to pay for half the smurf he's proposing without killing us I would but every proposal is the same old "throw more money at it" bullsmurf.

Other countries with UHC are running into shortfalls, costs are not being constrained.
Until that, UHC will fail to save any money or at least won't save for long.
I have zero faith that it will be run properly and that our pandering politicians (see the other thread on pandering and govt spending regardless of party) won't promise more than we can afford.

Tallgeese wrote:

So does America just generate worse politicians than the rest of the civilized world?

Yes. The goal is to have a bunch of power mongers fighting each other for territory, so that the people can live in relative peace. Only maniacs intend to run for office in this country.








I'll take this moment to announce my candidacy for President.

What is wrong with allowing states to ban late term abortions?

Getting rid of our current train wreck of a system is important to me. It's a drag on the economy and doesn't do a good job.

Both things need to happen.

I do not think that the "provide for the common defense and promote the general welfare" clause in the Constitution allows for social health care at a federal level. If it said "provide for the general welfare" I could accept it. Certainly it is not in the enumerated powers of the Federal Government. Social health care, to be legally implemented, must occur at the State level per my understanding.