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#1 2008-07-11 2:07 pm
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Unruly at arrest? That's an injection.
http://www.wsmv.com/news/16844880/detail.html
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NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- While the Metro police had banned the use of Tasers for a time, they still used a controversial method to subdue unruly people, according to an I-Team report.
The city's policy to use the method, which calls for the injection of a drug into a person, came as a "total surprise" to people most would expect to know all about it.
For almost two years, Metro police have had the option of calling for a needle loaded with a strong sedative to control the most unruly people they encounter on the street.
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One of the first to get the shot administered to them was Dameon Beasley.
"Well, that night, I hadn't been properly taking my meds, you know, like I'm supposed to. I got so depressed that when I was up on the bridge running into traffic back and forth, cars dodging me, swerving, I ended up with two sharp objects in my hands. By that time, the police had arrived. I was charging them with these sharp objects trying to make them shoot me, actually yelling at them to shoot me," he said.
When a Taser didn't work on Beasley, police turned to a brand new protocol -- an injection of Versed. Officers called emergency medical personnel for the injection.
"I remember they were holding me down. There was maybe four or five on each side, and I remember they were calling for something, you know. Some guy came up on the left side and hit me with it," he said.
"I do know that whatever it was works immediately. I mean, you ain't got a chance if you are 300 pounds. It's like a horse tranquilizer. I don't care. You're gone. It's a wrap," he said.
Beasley said he had no idea what happened after he was injected.
"I woke up -- I don't know how much time had passed -- with a sergeant standing over me telling me to sign here. I didn't know what I was signing Ms. (Channel 4 I-Team reporter Demetria) Kalodimos. I just signed a piece of paper and was immediately right back out," he said.
So not only does it calm you down, it wipes your memory. I am not even going to say this has 'the potential of abuse'. It is abuse.
There is no research guideline. There is no validated protocol for this. There's not even a clear set of indications for when this is to be used except when people are agitated. By saying that it's done by the emergency medical personnel, they basically are trying to have it both ways. That is, they’re trying to use a medical protocol that is not validated, not for a police function, arrest and detention," Miles said.
Don't be a diabetic with insulin shock in kentucky. They will inject you, stomp your ass, and have you sign a document in your stuper.
*SPIT*
Disgusting.
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#2 2008-07-11 2:08 pm
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Re: Unruly at arrest? That's an injection.
* A diabetic in insulin shock is very, very violent until he gets sugar or insulin.
The problem I have with discussing freedom is that people have been conditioned to expect "of me to tell you what to do" to follow it... inevitably they notice I don't ever get to that part, and they feel like I am trying to trick them.
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#3 2008-07-11 2:19 pm
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Re: Unruly at arrest? That's an injection.
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
I wonder what the other side of this story sounds like.
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#4 2008-07-11 2:27 pm
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Re: Unruly at arrest? That's an injection.
It really doesn't matter what the other side of the story sounds like. Police officers forcibly injecting drugs is bad no matter what.
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#5 2008-07-11 2:41 pm
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Re: Unruly at arrest? That's an injection.
That's some mind-boggling smurf.
I'm talking Soviet-style smurf.
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#6 2008-07-11 2:45 pm
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Re: Unruly at arrest? That's an injection.
ShnickyShnack wrote:
That's some mind-boggling smurf.
I'm talking Soviet-style smurf.
Hey, but it's in the name of security so it's all OK, capiche?
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#7 2008-07-11 2:55 pm
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Re: Unruly at arrest? That's an injection.
D'Eyncourt wrote:
ShnickyShnack wrote:
That's some mind-boggling smurf.
I'm talking Soviet-style smurf.Hey, but it's in the name of security so it's all OK, capiche?
Yes, officer!!!
:: cowers ::
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#8 2008-07-11 2:58 pm
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Re: Unruly at arrest? That's an injection.
ShnickyShnack wrote:
D'Eyncourt wrote:
ShnickyShnack wrote:
That's some mind-boggling smurf.
I'm talking Soviet-style smurf.Hey, but it's in the name of security so it's all OK, capiche?
Yes, officer!!!
:: cowers ::
You were particularly enthusiastic in your surrender. I am going to have to sedate you.
The problem I have with discussing freedom is that people have been conditioned to expect "of me to tell you what to do" to follow it... inevitably they notice I don't ever get to that part, and they feel like I am trying to trick them.
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#9 2008-07-11 3:08 pm
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Re: Unruly at arrest? That's an injection.
Jdude wrote:
ShnickyShnack wrote:
D'Eyncourt wrote:
Hey, but it's in the name of security so it's all OK, capiche?
Yes, officer!!!
:: cowers ::You were particularly enthusiastic in your surrender. I am going to have to sedate you.
We don't need such excuses. We just need an example to make the other sheep obey.
:: gets out the cattle prod and Vaseline ::
(note: the Vaseline is for better contact and makes it easier to clean afterwards).
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#10 2008-07-11 3:19 pm
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Re: Unruly at arrest? That's an injection.
Tallgeese wrote:
It really doesn't matter what the other side of the story sounds like. Police officers forcibly injecting drugs is bad no matter what.
What if they could change it to an aerosol delivery ?
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#11 2008-07-11 3:23 pm
Re: Unruly at arrest? That's an injection.
Is there anyone else here imagining Adam West in a police uniform holding a spray can of Bat Gas?
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#13 2008-07-11 3:30 pm
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Re: Unruly at arrest? That's an injection.
Now that would be funny- getting shot up with drugs while getting busted for drugs. Irony.
I wonder if the cops have a special injection training course? All it will take is once and this smurf will stop.
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#14 2008-07-11 3:31 pm
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Re: Unruly at arrest? That's an injection.
By that time, the police had arrived. I was charging them with these sharp objects trying to make them shoot me, actually yelling at them to shoot me," he said.
When a Taser didn't work on Beasley, police turned to a brand new protocol -- an injection of Versed. Officers called emergency medical personnel for the injection.
"I remember they were holding me down. There was maybe four or five on each side, and I remember they were calling for something, you know. Some guy came up on the left side and hit me with it," he said.
"I do know that whatever it was works immediately. I mean, you ain't got a chance if you are 300 pounds. It's like a horse tranquilizer. I don't care. You're gone. It's a wrap," he said.
The alternative is what exactly?
Just shoot the guy dead?
Minithink isn't a "to the death" cage match.
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#15 2008-07-11 3:32 pm
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Re: Unruly at arrest? That's an injection.
Forcible injection of a bullet is sanctioned, and fits the historical narrative.
It's not a movie.
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#16 2008-07-11 3:58 pm
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Re: Unruly at arrest? That's an injection.
Farmerkev wrote:
By that time, the police had arrived. I was charging them with these sharp objects trying to make them shoot me, actually yelling at them to shoot me," he said.
When a Taser didn't work on Beasley, police turned to a brand new protocol -- an injection of Versed. Officers called emergency medical personnel for the injection.
"I remember they were holding me down. There was maybe four or five on each side, and I remember they were calling for something, you know. Some guy came up on the left side and hit me with it," he said.
"I do know that whatever it was works immediately. I mean, you ain't got a chance if you are 300 pounds. It's like a horse tranquilizer. I don't care. You're gone. It's a wrap," he said.The alternative is what exactly?
Just shoot the guy dead?
They were able to control him enough to sedate him. Whatever happened to throwing these guys into a cell until they cool down?
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#17 2008-07-11 4:00 pm
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Re: Unruly at arrest? That's an injection.
It would be very easy to accidently kill someone that way.
Aw, he's no fun, he fell right over.
Unless you become as little children, there's no way you will believe this crap.
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#18 2008-07-11 4:02 pm
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Re: Unruly at arrest? That's an injection.
ShnickyShnack wrote:
Farmerkev wrote:
By that time, the police had arrived. I was charging them with these sharp objects trying to make them shoot me, actually yelling at them to shoot me," he said.
When a Taser didn't work on Beasley, police turned to a brand new protocol -- an injection of Versed. Officers called emergency medical personnel for the injection.
"I remember they were holding me down. There was maybe four or five on each side, and I remember they were calling for something, you know. Some guy came up on the left side and hit me with it," he said.
"I do know that whatever it was works immediately. I mean, you ain't got a chance if you are 300 pounds. It's like a horse tranquilizer. I don't care. You're gone. It's a wrap," he said.The alternative is what exactly?
Just shoot the guy dead?They were able to control him enough to sedate him. Whatever happened to throwing these guys into a cell until they cool down?
4 or 5 guys per side sitting on him isn't getting him into a car to safely transport to a facility.
I don't know but crazy people are damn tough to handle.
Minithink isn't a "to the death" cage match.
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#19 2008-07-11 4:03 pm
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Re: Unruly at arrest? That's an injection.
If it didn't wipe your memory, then i'd be okay with this.
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#20 2008-07-11 4:20 pm
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Re: Unruly at arrest? That's an injection.
Farmerkev wrote:
ShnickyShnack wrote:
They were able to control him enough to sedate him. Whatever happened to throwing these guys into a cell until they cool down?
4 or 5 guys per side sitting on him isn't getting him into a car to safely transport to a facility.
I don't know but crazy people are damn tough to handle.
They handled him well enough to get an needle in him. I am pretty sure handcuffs are easier to apply. If they can call for an injection, they can call for ankle cuffs and a bite mask.
How does every other jurisdiction handle this? Certainly they don't let belligerent people go.
The problem I have with discussing freedom is that people have been conditioned to expect "of me to tell you what to do" to follow it... inevitably they notice I don't ever get to that part, and they feel like I am trying to trick them.
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#21 2008-07-11 4:22 pm
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Re: Unruly at arrest? That's an injection.
No way. There's no drug around the affects 100% of the people the same way. Without knowing a person's medical history they are just asking for someone to have a debilitating stroke, to go into a coma, to get brain damage or to die.
Potential lethal injection. The cop becomes arresting officer, judge, jury & executioner in the blink of an eye.
This simply must be unconstitutional.
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#22 2008-07-11 4:24 pm
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Re: Unruly at arrest? That's an injection.
Jdude wrote:
Farmerkev wrote:
ShnickyShnack wrote:
They were able to control him enough to sedate him. Whatever happened to throwing these guys into a cell until they cool down?
4 or 5 guys per side sitting on him isn't getting him into a car to safely transport to a facility.
I don't know but crazy people are damn tough to handle.They handled him well enough to get an needle in him. I am pretty sure handcuffs are easier to apply. If they can call for an injection, they can call for ankle cuffs and a bite mask.
How does every other jurisdiction handle this? Certainly they don't let belligerent people go.
Your article said
"It's something that in the medical community and in the EMS medical community is very common. It's a given. When I surveyed the major metropolitan areas around the country, I think only two cities were not actively using it," Slovis said.
Minithink isn't a "to the death" cage match.
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#23 2008-07-11 4:27 pm
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Re: Unruly at arrest? That's an injection.
I always thought sedating an out of control patient was standard stuff. Why not an out of control detainee? Imagine the lawsuits against hospitals if forcible sedation were illegal.
It's not a movie.
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#24 2008-07-11 4:32 pm
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Re: Unruly at arrest? That's an injection.
Ribtorus wrote:
I always thought sedating an out of control patient was standard stuff. Why not an out of control detainee? Imagine the lawsuits against hospitals if forcible sedation were illegal.
Plus
Kalodimos reported that Beasley ended up at Metro General Hospital and was then put in psychiatric care. He was not charged in the incident on the bridge.
I'd like to see more about this before I make a call on if it's a bad thing or not. They've only used it 8 times according to the article so it isn't an everyday occurrence. It's got to be safer than a nightstick to the head surely.
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#25 2008-07-11 5:05 pm
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Re: Unruly at arrest? That's an injection.
Farmerkev wrote:
Your article said
"It's something that in the medical community and in the EMS medical community is very common. It's a given. When I surveyed the major metropolitan areas around the country, I think only two cities were not actively using it," Slovis said.
Indeed it does. I forgot that segment when I typed the other post. Apologies.
Ribtorus wrote:
I always thought sedating an out of control patient was standard stuff. Why not an out of control detainee? Imagine the lawsuits against hospitals if forcible sedation were illegal.
My EMT instructor would threaten to give people sedatives. When they continued to act violent, he would discreetly draw saline out of their IV bag and intentionally as obvious as possible re-inject that saline into their bag. He claimed that it never failed, the people always went down.
That is the only time I have ever heard of a "sedative" being given outside of a hospital situation. In the hospital they can monitor BP, take weight, and other things that determine the amount and appropriateness of the sedative.
The article also said:
Three women of child bearing age have apparently gotten shots without consent, even though the package insert for Versed suggests that, "the patient should be apprised of the potential hazard to the fetus.
The problem I have with discussing freedom is that people have been conditioned to expect "of me to tell you what to do" to follow it... inevitably they notice I don't ever get to that part, and they feel like I am trying to trick them.
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