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#26 2008-07-11 9:13 pm
Re: Unruly at arrest? That's an injection.
I wish they'd just use PCP like they do on animals.
No, really, I wish they'd just use PCP like they do on animals.
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#27 2008-07-11 9:37 pm
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Re: Unruly at arrest? That's an injection.
Biggest problem with this, of course, is that if it's all being done outside (or in the absence of) rules and regulations, then anything goes.
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#28 2008-07-12 2:08 am
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Re: Unruly at arrest? That's an injection.
Tallgeese wrote:
It really doesn't matter what the other side of the story sounds like. Police officers forcibly injecting drugs is bad no matter what.
As opposed to what?
Letting the crazy run around and slice people up?
Tazering the guy?
Bludgeoning the crazy into submission?
Shooting him?
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#29 2008-07-12 8:30 am
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Re: Unruly at arrest? That's an injection.
Hello and welcome to the thread.
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#30 2008-07-12 9:01 am
Re: Unruly at arrest? That's an injection.
mo' ron wrote:
If it didn't wipe your memory, then i'd be okay with this.
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#31 2008-07-12 9:49 am
Re: Unruly at arrest? That's an injection.
StaticAge wrote:
mo' ron wrote:
If it didn't wipe your memory, then i'd be okay with this.
If it didn't do that or have the potential for serious harm (up to and including death), then I'd be okay with this.
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#32 2008-07-12 10:13 am
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Re: Unruly at arrest? That's an injection.
ScifiterX wrote:
StaticAge wrote:
mo' ron wrote:
If it didn't wipe your memory, then i'd be okay with this.
If it didn't do that or have the potential for serious harm (up to and including death), then I'd be okay with this.
So do nightsticks, saps, choke holds, tasers and multiple guys jumping on top trying to control.
Sometimes life doesn't give us perfect options.
Minithink isn't a "to the death" cage match.
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#33 2008-07-12 11:12 am
Re: Unruly at arrest? That's an injection.
True but that doesn't mean we should knowingly consider an especially crappy option either.
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#34 2008-07-12 11:34 am
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Re: Unruly at arrest? That's an injection.
ScifiterX wrote:
True but that doesn't mean we should knowingly consider an especially crappy option either.
OK, come up with a better and safer option.
Minithink isn't a "to the death" cage match.
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#35 2008-07-12 11:45 am
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The beauty of that comeback is I don't have to. There are people working on that already. Devices that disable by overwhelming a persons senses have already been demonstrated. Capture nets have been used safely and effectively.
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#36 2008-07-12 12:54 pm
Re: Unruly at arrest? That's an injection.
I think that drugging a suspect, provided he retains memory and cognitive capacity, is on the same level as "overwhelming their senses."
I mean really, lets face what the problem really is: there is basically no nice way to exert force on another person no matter what reasons you have on your side to do so. The main thing I worry about this drug is that the person totally blacks out and cant remember anything- that opens a lot of space for abuse. But that doesnt happen just because drugs are bad.
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#37 2008-07-12 1:10 pm
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Re: Unruly at arrest? That's an injection.
Nobody ever had an allergic reaction to a baton.
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#38 2008-07-12 2:07 pm
Re: Unruly at arrest? That's an injection.
I worry whenever a chemical is introduced to the body where you can't guarantee the proper effect.
I worry whenever a fragile piece if metal is inserted into someone whom is thrashing around. You have to restrain the guy in order to chemically restrain the guy and then continue to restrain until it works. Real good option.
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#39 2008-07-12 2:19 pm
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Re: Unruly at arrest? That's an injection.
ScifiterX wrote:
I worry whenever a chemical is introduced to the body where you can't guarantee the proper effect.
I worry whenever a fragile piece if metal is inserted into someone whom is thrashing around. You have to restrain the guy in order to chemically restrain the guy and then continue to restrain until it works. Real good option.
And I worry that it will take someone's death to put a stop to this insane practice.
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#40 2008-07-12 2:22 pm
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I don't worry about that. I sadly acknowledge that what it will take. People are too stupid for it to happen any differently.
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#41 2008-07-12 2:30 pm
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Re: Unruly at arrest? That's an injection.
What practice(s) did this replace and how many were killed using it/them?
Minithink isn't a "to the death" cage match.
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#42 2008-07-12 2:37 pm
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Tazering and beyond accidental deaths that was showing deaths due to abusive practices.
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#43 2008-07-12 3:36 pm
Re: Unruly at arrest? That's an injection.
Farmerkev wrote:
ScifiterX wrote:
StaticAge wrote:
If it didn't do that or have the potential for serious harm (up to and including death), then I'd be okay with this.
So do nightsticks, saps, choke holds, tasers and multiple guys jumping on top trying to control.
Sometimes life doesn't give us perfect options.
If you can hold him still enough to jam a needle in him, you can hold him still enough to hogtie him.
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#44 2008-07-12 3:40 pm
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Re: Unruly at arrest? That's an injection.
Daniel wrote:
Farmerkev wrote:
ScifiterX wrote:
If it didn't do that or have the potential for serious harm (up to and including death), then I'd be okay with this.So do nightsticks, saps, choke holds, tasers and multiple guys jumping on top trying to control.
Sometimes life doesn't give us perfect options.If you can hold him still enough to jam a needle in him, you can hold him still enough to hogtie him.
They still can thrash about and harm themselves.
They take these people to the hospital, not jail.
It just doesn't seem that evil to me on the face of it.
Minithink isn't a "to the death" cage match.
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#45 2008-07-12 3:50 pm
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Re: Unruly at arrest? That's an injection.
Oh use the simple solution.
::: Takes out his Auto Mag 44 and puts two rounds into the suspect :::
There problem solved.
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#46 2008-07-12 4:16 pm
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Re: Unruly at arrest? That's an injection.
Daniel wrote:
If you can hold him still enough to jam a needle in him, you can hold him still enough to hogtie him.
And drag his uncooperative ass to the hospital or drunk tank.
Farmerkev wrote:
They still can thrash about and harm themselves.
It just doesn't seem that evil to me on the face of it.
Under that logic, sedation should be the standard part of every arrest. Anybody could thrash around and hurt themselves or others.
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#47 2008-07-12 5:53 pm
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Re: Unruly at arrest? That's an injection.
Jdude wrote:
Daniel wrote:
If you can hold him still enough to jam a needle in him, you can hold him still enough to hogtie him.
And drag his uncooperative ass to the hospital or drunk tank.
Farmerkev wrote:
They still can thrash about and harm themselves.
It just doesn't seem that evil to me on the face of it.Under that logic, sedation should be the standard part of every arrest. Anybody could thrash around and hurt themselves or others.
You know there is a difference between your normal smurf and a crazy person.
That they used it 8 times in 2 years tell me they aren't using it without reason. smurfs are dozens per day.
Minithink isn't a "to the death" cage match.
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#48 2008-07-12 6:16 pm
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Re: Unruly at arrest? That's an injection.
Drugs should not be administered by anybody but trained medical professionals.
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#49 2008-07-12 6:48 pm
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Re: Unruly at arrest? That's an injection.
Tallgeese wrote:
Drugs should not be administered by anybody but trained medical professionals.
I guess that's why they have EMT's doing it.
Minithink isn't a "to the death" cage match.
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#50 2008-07-12 8:06 pm
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Re: Unruly at arrest? That's an injection.
If you WOULDN'T inject sedative to a crazy person off his meds, dancing around traffic with 2 sharp objects in his hands, then there is something wrong with you.
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