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#1 2008-07-16 1:04 pm

zoees
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35 years and this is it?

Yep folks, that's right, the DEA turns 35 this month along with the Drug War.

"Of 17 countries surveyed, China and Japan had the lowest rates of drug use and the United States had the highest rate -- by far."

"Despite its failures and the harm it's done to American society, however, the DEA has done more than merely survive.  It's become a typically bloated, self-preserving federal bureaucracy whose power, budget and continuing existence bear no relation to its performance. "

We have some of the most backward-ass laws on Earth when it comes to recreational drug use and yet we have the highest rates of use. Not a shocker to me but maybe to some who actually believe our Drug Czar when he says "we're winning" while telling you that after 35 years and untold amounts of cash that the percentage of 12th-graders who reported using marijuana dropped from 40 percent in 1975 to 31.7 percent in 2007.

That's it, that's the best they can come up with. Pathetic really.

I really hope that enough Americans will get as fed up with it as I, and a few others here are and finally push to do something about it.


One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. It is simply too painful to acknowledge even to ourselves that we've been so credulous. -Carl Sagan

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#2 2008-07-16 1:44 pm

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Re: 35 years and this is it?

Of 17 countries surveyed, China and Japan had the lowest rates of drug use and the United States had the highest rate -- by far.

America is number one, baby !

America !  Smurf Yeah !


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#3 2008-07-16 2:19 pm

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Re: 35 years and this is it?

China's drug rate is far higher than the official numbers, but I'm sure it's still nowhere on the American scale.

At any rate, how much does the WoD actually have to do with cutting drug use?


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#4 2008-07-16 3:16 pm

zoees
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Re: 35 years and this is it?

ShnickyShnack wrote:

China's drug rate is far higher than the official numbers, but I'm sure it's still nowhere on the American scale.

At any rate, how much does the WoD actually have to do with cutting drug use?

There really is no relationship between our strict drug laws and our current levels of drug use.


One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. It is simply too painful to acknowledge even to ourselves that we've been so credulous. -Carl Sagan

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#5 2008-07-16 3:22 pm

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Re: 35 years and this is it?

All we need to do is give the death penalty for drug abuse, like some countries do.

Think your average 14 year old kid is going to experiment with pot if it can result in his public execution?


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#6 2008-07-16 3:23 pm

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Re: 35 years and this is it?

zoees wrote:

I really hope that enough Americans will get as fed up with it as I, and a few others here are and finally push to do something about it.

I have e-mailed my rep Niki Tsongas twice on the issue of decriminalizing marijuana (making it legal) in regards to legislation put forth by congressman Barney Frank (e-mailed him too). Although she does not agree with this (I got a cookie cutter response) she does agree with making medical marijuana legal which is a start. My second e-mail argued the points of total legalization.

I will protest the DEA's anniversary and their existence. Tonight I will be taking my MacBook Pro outside, sit at my lounge table, Stream The Ferrel Show (or maybe Pink Floyd's, "Wish You Were Here"), while browsing the internet and smoking a fine bowl of Haze.


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#7 2008-07-16 3:29 pm

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Re: 35 years and this is it?

resedit wrote:

All we need to do is give the death penalty for drug abuse, like some countries do.

Think your average 14 year old kid is going to experiment with pot if it can result in his public execution?

We don't need laws similar to what singapore has. The day the US has a legal system on par with that of Singapore is a very dark day.

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#8 2008-07-16 3:36 pm

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Re: 35 years and this is it?

resedit wrote:

All we need to do is give the death penalty for drug abuse, like some countries do.

Think your average 14 year old kid is going to experiment with pot if it can result in his public execution?

Great, then we can be just like them.

And- yes.


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#9 2008-07-16 3:37 pm

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Re: 35 years and this is it?

wellfleation wrote:

zoees wrote:

I really hope that enough Americans will get as fed up with it as I, and a few others here are and finally push to do something about it.

I have e-mailed my rep Niki Tsongas twice on the issue of decriminalizing marijuana (making it legal) in regards to legislation put forth by congressman Barney Frank (e-mailed him too). Although she does not agree with this (I got a cookie cutter response) she does agree with making medical marijuana legal which is a start. My second e-mail argued the points of total legalization.

I will protest the DEA's anniversary and their existence. Tonight I will be taking my MacBook Pro outside, sit at my lounge table, Stream The Ferrel Show (or maybe Pink Floyd's, "Wish You Were Here"), while browsing the internet and smoking a fine bowl of Haze.

I'll probably be doing something very similar.


One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. It is simply too painful to acknowledge even to ourselves that we've been so credulous. -Carl Sagan

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#10 2008-07-16 3:41 pm

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Re: 35 years and this is it?

From the early 80's until about 92 the price of weed about tripled.
We used to joke that that was the only effect of the war on drugs.
Now the price of weed has held steady (@~$50/eighth oz) for 15+ years but the # of peeps in jail has skyrocketed. Wether that's their intent or not, that's about all it's doing, filling up jails.


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#11 2008-07-16 3:47 pm

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Re: 35 years and this is it?

I gave up on buying weed in the 80s, partly because of the cost.

Can't really smoke much of anything, anyway.


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Unless you become as little children, there's no way you will believe this crap.

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#12 2008-07-16 6:10 pm

zoees
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Re: 35 years and this is it?

It does create a ton of jobs. Almost as if that were the intention.


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#13 2008-07-16 6:19 pm

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Re: 35 years and this is it?

zoees wrote:

It does create a ton of jobs. Almost as if that were the intention.

Anything federal creates a ton of jobs and costs a lot of money.
That's why any kind of federal healthcare would be a complete money pit.


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#14 2008-07-16 7:54 pm

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Re: 35 years and this is it?

wellfleation wrote:

zoees wrote:

I really hope that enough Americans will get as fed up with it as I, and a few others here are and finally push to do something about it.

I have e-mailed my rep Niki Tsongas twice on the issue of decriminalizing marijuana (making it legal) in regards to legislation put forth by congressman Barney Frank (e-mailed him too). Although she does not agree with this (I got a cookie cutter response) she does agree with making medical marijuana legal which is a start. My second e-mail argued the points of total legalization.

I will protest the DEA's anniversary and their existence. Tonight I will be taking my MacBook Pro outside, sit at my lounge table, Stream The Ferrel Show (or maybe Pink Floyd's, "Wish You Were Here"), while browsing the internet and smoking a fine bowl of Haze.

smurf *cough*, the war, *cough cough* , on marijuana smokers.

That felt goooooood........


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#15 2008-07-16 8:17 pm

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Re: 35 years and this is it?

Colonel Panic wrote:

From the early 80's until about 92 the price of weed about tripled.
We used to joke that that was the only effect of the war on drugs.
Now the price of weed has held steady (@~$50/eighth oz) for 15+ years but the # of peeps in jail has skyrocketed. Wether that's their intent or not, that's about all it's doing, filling up jails.

Meh, I pay about $25 for my kind and a fine kind it is.
Pot is easier to get than beer because I have to drive to buy beer, my pot gets delivered...no extra charge. cool


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#16 2008-07-16 9:16 pm

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Re: 35 years and this is it?

Is there a link for the information on the first post?

I find it hard to believe we're number 1 per capita for drug use.


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#17 2008-07-16 9:19 pm

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Re: 35 years and this is it?

Its that hard to believe?

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#18 2008-07-16 9:51 pm

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Re: 35 years and this is it?

Its just a sign of affluence and freedom.


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#19 2008-07-16 10:38 pm

zoees
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Re: 35 years and this is it?

mo' ron wrote:

Is there a link for the information on the first post?

I find it hard to believe we're number 1 per capita for drug use.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/07/ … 2322.shtml


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#20 2008-07-17 11:49 am

zoees
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Re: 35 years and this is it?

Here's a much better and more intensive version- not on a news station.

http://medicine.plosjournals.org/perlse … 1&ct=1


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#21 2008-07-17 12:13 pm

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Re: 35 years and this is it?

I just saw the latest anti-pot commercial again this morning - where the kid weaves a cocoon of marijuana around him until he emerges as an overweight 30 year old wearing the same clothes and being nagged by his mom to take out the trash.

Granted, that's an awful situation smile, but leaving aside the challenge of causality, is that the best they can come up with? Is that any reason for putting people in jail for smoking it?


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Unless you become as little children, there's no way you will believe this crap.

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#22 2008-07-17 12:17 pm

zoees
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Re: 35 years and this is it?

This is pretty good-

We'll ransack your home, tear your family apart;
Take your children away; and that's just a start.
We'll take or destroy everything you hold dear;
And leave your heart heavy with anger and fear.
"Concerned citizens" are easily found,
Who'll believe all the lies we've been spreading around;
We'll threaten and bully the weak and poor,
Til we get a warrant to knock down your door.
We'll swear under oath that the rumors are true,
And be on our way to terrorize you.
Though others may know us by different names,
The M.O. of drugcops is always the same_--
A battering ram, a percussion grenade,
Signal the start of another drug raid.
Looking real scary, in black riot gear;
No police badges or uniforms here;
We break and we enter, guns drawn in case
You try to defend your family or place.
The crimes we commit in our quest to control
Are justified means to a glorious goal --
A drug-free America, even if we
Take away all of your rights to be free.
Protections of privacy, gone by the way;
Oppression is really a small price to pay
For knowing your family is safe and secure
From dangerous drugs and their deadly allure.
Drugs that are evil, Satan's own kind;
Possessing your soul, your heart and your mind.
We know it's a lie, but we'll never back down;
No matter the cost, we won't be turned around;
For we have no conscience, no courage, no heart,
To undo the damage done; no place to start.
Our make-believe war has become the real thing,
With all of the suffering that real wars can bring.
Our power is awesome; our brotherhood strong;
If you stand against us, you won't stand for long.
The fear we instill in your family and friends
Will cause them to scatter, like dust in the wind.
Violent drug raids put your children in danger;
We'll take them away and we'll give them to strangers.
Then we'll blame the loss of the ones that you love
On evil, illegal, dangerous drugs.


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#23 2008-07-17 1:12 pm

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Re: 35 years and this is it?

user wrote:

I just saw the latest anti-pot commercial again this morning - where the kid weaves a cocoon of marijuana around him until he emerges as an overweight 30 year old wearing the same clothes and being nagged by his mom to take out the trash.

Granted, that's an awful situation smile, but leaving aside the challenge of causality, is that the best they can come up with? Is that any reason for putting people in jail for smoking it?

Showing how civil asset forfeiture works may not be as effective, and may get them shot.


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#24 2008-07-17 1:56 pm

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Re: 35 years and this is it?

user wrote:

I just saw the latest anti-pot commercial again this morning - where the kid weaves a cocoon of marijuana around him until he emerges as an overweight 30 year old wearing the same clothes and being nagged by his mom to take out the trash.

Granted, that's an awful situation smile, but leaving aside the challenge of causality, is that the best they can come up with? Is that any reason for putting people in jail for smoking it?

It's funny how many people complain about the exaggerations of the war on drugs and then make their own about people going to jail just for smoking pot.


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#25 2008-07-17 2:03 pm

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Re: 35 years and this is it?

They don't put people in jail for smoking pot? Really?

Haven't we had that discussion before and didn't someone provide statistics on jailed pot smokers?


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