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The punishment comes in the possession, not the use.   As with every time this subject comes up, I remind you that laws involving possession vary greatly from state-to-state and might be quite different than you're used to in other parts of the country (not to mention that going beyond simply possession and proving intent to distribute can often be done without any actual proof of "intent").

user wrote:

Jdude wrote:

Showing how civil asset forfeiture works may not be as effective, and may get them shot.

wut

Not clear?

wellfleation wrote:

In some parts of this backwards country they take your car away if it is used to buy marijuana. Well, how the smurf are you supposed to get there. Then you go to jail.

Fair? Another example of our government violating our rights and failing us.

This.



In some parts of the country the entire property can be seized for a small amount of drugs, regardless of who owned the drugs. So if your neighbor borrows your boat and blazes up, your boat can be seized and you have no recourse.
If your relative smokes in the house and for whatever reason there is a legal search there, your house can be seized for the drugs found on the property. Even if you explicitely stated they were not allowed or had no knowledge of their presence.

That's wut.

Last edited by Jdude (2008-07-17 2:44 pm)

Jdude wrote:

user wrote:

Jdude wrote:

Showing how civil asset forfeiture works may not be as effective, and may get them shot.

wut

Not clear?

wellfleation wrote:

In some parts of this backwards country they take your car away if it is used to buy marijuana. Well, how the smurf are you supposed to get there. Then you go to jail.

Fair? Another example of our government violating our rights and failing us.

This.



In some parts of the country the entire property can be seized for a small amount of drugs, regardless of who owned the drugs. So if your neighbor borrows your boat and blazes up, your boat can be seized and you have no recourse.
If your relative smokes in the house and for whatever reason there is a legal search there, your house can be seized for the drugs found on the property. Even if you explicitely stated they were not allowed or had no knowledge of their presence.

That's wut.

I'm still not clear on how that's at all Constitutional.

user wrote:

I just saw the latest anti-pot commercial again this morning - where the kid weaves a cocoon of marijuana around him until he emerges as an overweight 30 year old wearing the same clothes and being nagged by his mom to take out the trash.

Granted, that's an awful situation , but leaving aside the challenge of causality, is that the best they can come up with? Is that any reason for putting people in jail for smoking it?

The especially funny thing is there's plenty of regular pot smokers out there who live successful, productive lives. Should the fact that alcohol controls some people's lives mean that it should be illegal? No. So why should Marijuana be different?

Lefties use pot.

And musicians smoke reefer, "an' you don' want no part of this smurf!"

resedit wrote:

Someone provided statistics on crimes that involved marijuana.
I specifically remember starting a thread asking who had been caught with marijuana and what happened. Several people acknowledged they had been caught, not a single one jailed.

I cannot fathom how you would think that a 'survey' of the individuals who post on this board would be at all representative.

Most do not actually receive a jail term for simple possession, however the law in nearly every state allows for such a punishment.  In some states, it takes a relatively small amount to bump the violation up to intent to distribute. 

Seriously - I think jail for possession of small amounts of marijuana are extremely rare. There are either other factors involved (such as driving a vehicle, child endangerment, etc.) or the a ticket is given - if that.

"A ticket?"  Your wrong if you don't believe that in many places you WILL be arrested for marijuana possession.

Yeah, you'll never get busted....no worries.

Tallgeese wrote:

I'm still not clear on how that's at all Constitutional.

The Fifth Amendment in part says
"nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;"

The property itself is charged with a crime and the owner is basically a third party interest to the charges.

I am of the opinion that the practice is explicitely unconstitutional.



http://www.fear.org/
http://www.hr95.org/Forfeit.html

JakeTheTall wrote:

Mr. resedit is saying:  simply smoking pot doesn't land people in jail.

Being pulled over after an armed robbery, and them finding pot in your car will get you a "drug related prison sentence."
Aren't don't think hTo expand on what Mr. resedit is saying:  simply smoking pot doesn't land people in jail.

Being pulled over after an armed robbery, and them finding pot in your car will get you a "drug related prison sentence."

I would think the robbery would get most of the attention, however, its on a case by case basis.

resedit wrote:

user wrote:

I just saw the latest anti-pot commercial again this morning - where the kid weaves a cocoon of marijuana around him until he emerges as an overweight 30 year old wearing the same clothes and being nagged by his mom to take out the trash.

Granted, that's an awful situation , but leaving aside the challenge of causality, is that the best they can come up with? Is that any reason for putting people in jail for smoking it?

It's funny how many people complain about the exaggerations of the war on drugs and then make their own about people going to jail just for smoking pot.

Oh not this line of crap again.  Just because you carried it on for 13 pages before in spite of unquestionable evidence to the contrary doesn't mean it doesn't happen hundreds of times every day.

JakeTheTall wrote:

resedit wrote:

user wrote:

They don't put people in jail for smoking pot? Really?

Haven't we had that discussion before and didn't someone provide statistics on jailed pot smokers?

Someone provided statistics on crimes that involved marijuana.
I specifically remember starting a thread asking who had been caught with marijuana and what happened. Several people acknowledged they had been caught, not a single one jailed.

Seriously - I think jail for possession of small amounts of marijuana are extremely rare. There are either other factors involved (such as driving a vehicle, child endangerment, etc.) or the a ticket is given - if that.

To expand on what Mr. resedit is saying:  simply smoking pot doesn't land people in jail.

Unfortunately, that's just like almost everything else res says when it comes to politics, to wit: completely made the smurf up.  People go to jail and stay there for decades for pot possession every day.  One black man in Texas just recently had his life sentence for that undone by the court.

Daniel wrote:

Unfortunately, that's just like almost everything else res says when it comes to politics, to wit: completely made the smurf up.  People go to jail and stay there for decades for pot possession every day.  One black man in Texas just recently had his life sentence for that undone by the court.

I forget about most them other 47 states.