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#1 2008-07-29 10:42 am
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Next-gen 'Books to have non-Intel chipsets?
So thinks AppleInsider.
However, with Apple striving to maintain Mac sales growth of more than two times the industry average, it's again looking to differentiate the architecture of its personal computer systems through alternative technology that will afford it an advantage beyond the reach of its competition.
As such, people familiar with these plans say an upcoming generation of Macs, lead by a trio of redesigned notebooks, won't adopt the Montevina chipset announced as part of Intel's Centrino 2 mobile platform earlier this month. What's more, those same people suggest the chipset employed by the new wave of Macs may have little or nothing to do with Intel at all. (This should not be confused with the primary CPU, which will continue to come from Intel.)
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Assuming the chipsets in the new Macs are not based on Intel technology, that would leave Apple with only a handful of viable options. The company could return to a practice common during the years of PowerPC-based Macs in which it developed proprietary chipsets to support the primary processors in its systems.
Another option is that Apple could forge a relationship with one of the other established third party chipset manufacturers, such as NVidia, AMD or Via, in a move that would allow the company to build its next-generation systems using technology cherry-picked from the best of both worlds.
AMD/ATi's integrated graphics have been coming along nicely, and breaking the Intel lock on Apple innards seems a good move, avoids complacency. 'Don't take us for granted.'
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08 … _hood.html
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#2 2008-07-29 11:06 am
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Re: Next-gen 'Books to have non-Intel chipsets?
The company could return to a practice common during the years of PowerPC-based Macs in which it developed proprietary chipsets to support the primary processors in its systems.
Which would probably get us discrete GPUs at the low end again. Making the MacBook run its battery down faster and adding to cost. Unlikely. But Apple won't design its own GPU.
Another option is that Apple could forge a relationship with one of the other established third party chipset manufacturers, such as NVidia, AMD or Via, in a move that would allow the company to build its next-generation systems using technology cherry-picked from the best of both worlds.
Smart.
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#3 2008-07-29 11:21 am
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Re: Next-gen 'Books to have non-Intel chipsets?
I highly doubt that.
At the least they will have to ensure windows compatibility.
I could envision Apple going back to apple-designed chipset, after their P.A Semi acquisition but not this soon.
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#4 2008-07-29 12:38 pm
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Re: Next-gen 'Books to have non-Intel chipsets?
El Lombardo wrote:
I highly doubt that.
At the least they will have to ensure windows compatibility.
I could envision Apple going back to apple-designed chipset, after their P.A Semi acquisition but not this soon.
Windows compatibility is mainly dependent on the CPU. As I understand, this speculation does not include moving away from Intel CPUs.
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#5 2008-07-29 12:52 pm
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Re: Next-gen 'Books to have non-Intel chipsets?
Bat wrote:
AMD/ATi's integrated graphics have been coming along nicely, and breaking the Intel lock on Apple innards seems a good move, avoids complacency. 'Don't take us for granted.'l
I agree. Going with an AMD chipset seems like a smart move. But if Oppenheimer's comments are at all related, then a custom-built chipset would be plausible. Of course, it's unlikely that a chipset could possibly live up to the hype he dished out, but Apple has been known to exaggerate.
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#6 2008-07-29 2:18 pm
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Re: Next-gen 'Books to have non-Intel chipsets?
For that matter, they stay with off the shelf, but an unlikely combo- say, AMD 790 core logic and
Preliminary benchmarks provided by VIA showed the Nano outpacing Intel's Atom in many benchmarks -- today, PC Perspective and Hot Hardware put those claims to the test.
Both sites took an Intel Atom 230 (1.6GHz) processor paired with an Intel BOXD945GCLF motherboard and pitted it against a VIA Nano L2100 (1.8GHz) processor with a VIA Nano Reference Motherboard.
Although the VIA Nano was clocked 12.5% higher than the Intel Atom used in both site's testing, Hot Hardware found that the Nano was anywhere from 15% to 20% faster than the Atom. In many cases, the delta between the two was much greater in the Nano's favor. PC Perspective also found that under load, however, the difference in power consumption between the two processors was 17 watts with the Atom having the upper hand. Both sites came away impressed with VIA's Nano platform and its openness compared to the relative closed Intel Atom platform.
"Vendors are not allowed to build Atom motherboards with PCI Express, digital video outputs or more than one memory slot," said PC Perspective. "VIA on the other hand is openly courting board manufacturers to put as much technology on a mini-ITX design as they can - as long as they DO build one."
VIA sees the Nano processor as its ticket to success while Intel appears to fear Atom will cannibalize its Celeron sales."
My bold. http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=12525
Low heat/power consumption, decent graphics and battery life, motherboard with more features than Intel allows with anything Atom... sounds like a good 'Book combo.
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#7 2008-07-29 3:50 pm
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Re: Next-gen 'Books to have non-Intel chipsets?
That'd be an upscale Netbook, a market Apple hasn't gone after yet. Could power a new Mini or other Net appliance well enough. Meanwhile the competition has a new mini-desktop of their own, Blu-ray optional.
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#8 2008-07-29 5:24 pm
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Re: Next-gen 'Books to have non-Intel chipsets?
^ the bamboo one looks neat.
OT: I'm really interested to see if this glass track pad rumor pans out. I hate using track pads in general(can't stand the texture mostly). I'd also welcome an aluminum macbook.
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#9 2008-07-29 8:32 pm
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Re: Next-gen 'Books to have non-Intel chipsets?
Bat wrote:
"Vendors are not allowed to build Atom motherboards with PCI Express, digital video outputs or more than one memory slot," said PC Perspective. "VIA on the other hand is openly courting board manufacturers to put as much technology on a mini-ITX design as they can - as long as they DO build one."
Low heat/power consumption, decent graphics and battery life, motherboard with more features than Intel allows with anything Atom... sounds like a good 'Book combo.
Well, that seems to suit Apple's offerings. MacBook, MacMini, AppleTV, iPhone OS Devices...
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#10 2008-07-30 9:48 am
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Re: Next-gen 'Books to have non-Intel chipsets?
Bat wrote:
For that matter, they stay with off the shelf, but an unlikely combo- say, AMD 790 core logic and
Preliminary benchmarks provided by VIA showed the Nano outpacing Intel's Atom in many benchmarks -- today, PC Perspective and Hot Hardware put those claims to the test.
Both sites took an Intel Atom 230 (1.6GHz) processor paired with an Intel BOXD945GCLF motherboard and pitted it against a VIA Nano L2100 (1.8GHz) processor with a VIA Nano Reference Motherboard.
Although the VIA Nano was clocked 12.5% higher than the Intel Atom used in both site's testing, Hot Hardware found that the Nano was anywhere from 15% to 20% faster than the Atom. In many cases, the delta between the two was much greater in the Nano's favor. PC Perspective also found that under load, however, the difference in power consumption between the two processors was 17 watts with the Atom having the upper hand. Both sites came away impressed with VIA's Nano platform and its openness compared to the relative closed Intel Atom platform.
"Vendors are not allowed to build Atom motherboards with PCI Express, digital video outputs or more than one memory slot," said PC Perspective. "VIA on the other hand is openly courting board manufacturers to put as much technology on a mini-ITX design as they can - as long as they DO build one."
VIA sees the Nano processor as its ticket to success while Intel appears to fear Atom will cannibalize its Celeron sales."My bold. http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=12525
Low heat/power consumption, decent graphics and battery life, motherboard with more features than Intel allows with anything Atom... sounds like a good 'Book combo.
The nano looks pretty sweet. And it can run Crysis.
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#11 2008-07-30 1:33 pm
Re: Next-gen 'Books to have non-Intel chipsets?
I hope the "lack" of new mac-mini is because they wait for some of this new fancyness, because if the don't come out with one very soon, I'll end up with a Hackintosh.
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#12 2008-07-31 4:52 pm
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#13 2008-08-01 1:03 pm
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Re: Next-gen 'Books to have non-Intel chipsets?
Amazingly, it's still spreading.
THE NVIDIA IMPLOSION continues, and this time it is not a crusty old product but their top-of-the-line 790i chipset products that are vanishing from manufacturers lineups. They went *poof* from DFI, Foxconn and Gigabyte.
In case you have been living under a rock lately, Nvidia GPUs and chipsets have been crapping out at an amazingly high rate of speed. You can read about it here and here and here and here and here if you are really bored. The executive summary is that Nvidia has a massive batch of bad chips and the first ones to go bad are in laptops, but the problem is by no means confined to those machines.
Now comes word that their high-end desktop mobo, famous for rumored data corruption problems, is being silently killed. The three companies mentioned above have pulled the boards from their product pages without so much as a footnote. The pages for Foxconn and Gigabyte look like this, note the lack of high end NV parts.
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