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#1 2008-08-19 11:22 am

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New screen need for Graphic Design.

I know Apple Displays are really great for design work, but curious about other screens around 20in -24in  that would be good for this purpose but perhaps a bit easier on the pocket book. I'd rather avoid a CRT due to space concerns.


I currently use a Samsug TV and love it (32in) would they have good comp screens? Is this worth a shot?

Samsung SyncMaster 24" Widescreen LCD Monitor, 245BW  ($440 USD)
- 24" widescreen flat-panel LCD Liquid crystal display uses thin-film transistor (TFT) technology and use less than half the energy of a comparably sized CRT monitor

- 16:10 aspect ratio Widescreen is perfect for viewing two documents side by side, multiple windows or even watching movies

- 1920 x 1200 resolution WUXGA (wide ultra extended graphics array) offers exceptionally high image quality

- 16.7 million colors Capable of displaying millions of colors for realistic photo and video reproduction

- 1000:1 contrast ratio and 3000:1 dynamic contrast ratio. Offers excellent color rendition thanks to very high contrast

- 5 ms. response time (gray to gray) Delivers excellent performance that is especially noticeable when playing games and watching videos

- .270 mm pixel pitch Fine pitch provides detailed text and graphics


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#2 2008-08-19 7:01 pm

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Re: New screen need for Graphic Design.

Viewsonic may have a model that fits your needs as well.


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#3 2008-08-20 8:50 am

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Re: New screen need for Graphic Design.

My primary concern with non-Apple monitors is that they tend to be too contrasty. A high contrast screen looks good for computer use, but it'll give you a false idea of how the image will reproduce in print, which is critical in graphic design. I tried to edit photos on my consumer-level laptop once and when I opened the files later on my desktop, I found that I had completely washed them out.

If I didn't get an Apple monitor, I'd make sure what I got was labeled for graphics use. I don't trust the monitors you can get at Office Depot.


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#4 2008-08-20 11:37 pm

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Re: New screen need for Graphic Design.

I just run myself a sample and ignore what I see on the screen.


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#5 2008-08-21 10:30 am

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Re: New screen need for Graphic Design.

dvpierce wrote:

I just run myself a sample and ignore what I see on the screen.

BINGO!

I will agree though that LCD's print darker. Which is why I ignore it and do the same thing as dvpierce.

Pick something that's not going to give you a headache as you will be in front of it for a long time.


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#6 2008-08-21 12:03 pm

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Re: New screen need for Graphic Design.

I'm sending digital photos in to a newspaper, so there's no sample for me to run.


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#7 2008-08-21 12:07 pm

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Re: New screen need for Graphic Design.

What's "too contrasty?"


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#8 2008-08-21 12:32 pm

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Re: New screen need for Graphic Design.

Loss of detail in the blacks and too much compression in the mid-tones.

Hey, I'm a photographer, OK?


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#9 2008-08-21 1:23 pm

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Re: New screen need for Graphic Design.

Bat wrote:

What's "too contrasty?"

Look at the video game, then open a window and look outside. See how everything outside is brighter and washed-out-looking?

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#10 2008-08-21 1:24 pm

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Re: New screen need for Graphic Design.

user wrote:

I'm sending digital photos in to a newspaper, so there's no sample for me to run.

Presumably they have graphics people who will, you know, do their jobs. Send them the straight take from the camera - you shouldn't have to worry.


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#11 2008-08-21 2:34 pm

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Re: New screen need for Graphic Design.

You so funny, dv!

They pretty much run the photos the way I send them except for some occasional cropping. Perhaps that just means I'm doing a really good job of it?

(I shoot RAW format, so I can't send them that. I have to resample the photos down to a 6 meg jpg. That process invariably involves setting the contrast, levels and color cast of the photo.)


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#12 2008-08-21 5:07 pm

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Re: New screen need for Graphic Design.

user wrote:

Loss of detail in the blacks and too much compression in the mid-tones.

Hey, I'm a photographer, OK?

dvpierce wrote:

Bat wrote:

What's "too contrasty?"

Look at the video game, then open a window and look outside. See how everything outside is brighter and washed-out-looking?

blush

You guys...

This is the one in the 24" range Mark and I both want. Neither I nor nayrk can afford it, but... good enough?

It's basically impossible to have too high a contrast ratio (inherent). The display can be overbright, washed out and so on (LCDs often are), but you've heard of calibration, right? $40,000 broadcast monitors have some of the highest contrast levels you can find. I prize my old Diamondtron's deep blacks and color gamut.

I hope good LCD/other tech displays are affordable by the time it wears out.


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#13 2008-08-22 12:15 am

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Re: New screen need for Graphic Design.

user wrote:

My primary concern with non-Apple monitors is that they tend to be too contrasty. A high contrast screen looks good for computer use, but it'll give you a false idea of how the image will reproduce in print, which is critical in graphic design. I tried to edit photos on my consumer-level laptop once and when I opened the files later on my desktop, I found that I had completely washed them out.

If I didn't get an Apple monitor, I'd make sure what I got was labeled for graphics use. I don't trust the monitors you can get at Office Depot.

That is a good point,

Mine is the LG L227WTG 22".  I think though if you properly calibrate your display you shouldn't have an issue. And don't some displays com with their own colorsync profile that works in OSX and with Adobe?

I create web content, and process allot graphics for print. And I’ve never had an issue as long I use the appropriate calibration for the display and location/lighting I’m in. I've used allot of CRT's and LCD's.

I guess I’m in the habit of calibrating because I often have multiple display setups and I want all the displays show the same thing. And print as I see on any display with any print process.


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#14 2008-08-22 6:31 am

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Re: New screen need for Graphic Design.

Thanks so much everyone for your responses.

I've ran across a Samsung Touch of Color monitor

Samsung 22" TOC Widescreen LCD Monitor Rose-Black T220

While I really love Samsung products... not to mention the price, I imagine that from User's comments though that this is screen would give me that overly contrast-y look.

Would something like Spider2 or help with that issue?


Ice Cream Man, that does look like a rather nice screen also. Do you use preset calibration, if not what do you use?


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#15 2008-08-22 9:37 am

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Re: New screen need for Graphic Design.

nayrk wrote:

Thanks so much everyone for your responses.

I've ran across a Samsung Touch of Color monitor

Samsung 22" TOC Widescreen LCD Monitor Rose-Black T220

While I really love Samsung products... not to mention the price, I imagine that from User's comments though that this is screen would give me that overly contrast-y look.

Would something like Spider2 or help with that issue?


Ice Cream Man, that does look like a rather nice screen also. Do you use preset calibration, if not what do you use?

Yes, a Spider will help. I believe that once you set up your gray-balance and calibration the Spider will actually monitor the lighting in the room and adjust on the fly.

I personally use an Eye1 photo spectrometer.


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#16 2008-08-22 12:54 pm

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Re: New screen need for Graphic Design.

nayrk wrote:

Thanks so much everyone for your responses.

I've ran across a Samsung Touch of Color monitor

Samsung 22" TOC Widescreen LCD Monitor Rose-Black T220

While I really love Samsung products... not to mention the price, I imagine that from User's comments though that this is screen would give me that overly contrast-y look.

Would something like Spider2 or help with that issue?


Ice Cream Man, that does look like a rather nice screen also. Do you use preset calibration, if not what do you use?

Well there is a calibration tool that came with it. However, there is also a calibration tool built into OSX. It is in system preferences. Here is a site that shows you how. http://www.computer-darkroom.com/colors … sync_1.htm there are also other tools for calibrating but I just use the OSX tool.

I was going to buy the Samsung 19 inch, but this one was bigger, at the same price at Fry’s, the timing, and contrast are good. Just be sure to calibrate.

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#17 2008-08-25 5:16 pm

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Re: New screen need for Graphic Design.

Ice Cream Man wrote:

nayrk wrote:

Thanks so much everyone for your responses.

I've ran across a Samsung Touch of Color monitor

Samsung 22" TOC Widescreen LCD Monitor Rose-Black T220

While I really love Samsung products... not to mention the price, I imagine that from User's comments though that this is screen would give me that overly contrast-y look.

Would something like Spider2 or help with that issue?


Ice Cream Man, that does look like a rather nice screen also. Do you use preset calibration, if not what do you use?

Well there is a calibration tool that came with it. However, there is also a calibration tool built into OSX. It is in system preferences. Here is a site that shows you how. http://www.computer-darkroom.com/colors … sync_1.htm there are also other tools for calibrating but I just use the OSX tool.

I was going to buy the Samsung 19 inch, but this one was bigger, at the same price at Fry’s, the timing, and contrast are good. Just be sure to calibrate.

The built-in monitor profiler is a good start but still involves you making subjective choices.

When you're done, print a few patches of gray. Make sure they are CMYK builds and not just black. You will see immediately which "direction" you need to go.


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